How smart is average?
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My experience is that intelligence is wide spread. Some who are good in logic and mathematics, are really bad in art, sports or craftmanship. I dont like people who got an attest about 130++ and think other people are stupid. X|
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IQ testing (professionally supervised tests) are PREDICTIVE. Any given set of high-IQ people will have better life-time outcomes in all sorts of areas (health, wealth, longevity among others). Their outcomes will be rather better than any given set of "average" people. Their outcomes will be immensely better than any given set of very low IQ people. There are NO tests for art, craftsmanship or sport that are predictive. None. Except for IQ tests of course :) (Forget physical tests you morons - of course you it helps to be to be tall to play Basketball, and to have two legs to play football).
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My experience is that intelligence is wide spread. Some who are good in logic and mathematics, are really bad in art, sports or craftmanship. I dont like people who got an attest about 130++ and think other people are stupid. X|
Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany
IQ testing (professionally supervised tests) are PREDICTIVE. Any given set of high-IQ people will have better life-time outcomes in all sorts of areas (health, wealth, longevity among others). Their outcomes will be rather better than any given set of "average" people. Their outcomes will be immensely better than any given set of very low IQ people. There are NO tests for art, craftsmanship or sport that are predictive. None. Except for IQ tests of course :) (Forget physical tests you morons - of course you it helps to be to be tall to play Basketball, and to have two legs to play football).
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IQ testing (professionally supervised tests) are PREDICTIVE. Any given set of high-IQ people will have better life-time outcomes in all sorts of areas (health, wealth, longevity among others). Their outcomes will be rather better than any given set of "average" people. Their outcomes will be immensely better than any given set of very low IQ people. There are NO tests for art, craftsmanship or sport that are predictive. None. Except for IQ tests of course :) (Forget physical tests you morons - of course you it helps to be to be tall to play Basketball, and to have two legs to play football).
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Not so smart of me :)
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Not so smart of me :)
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> Nobody knows, so what they do is give the test to a whole lot of people, and then by looking at the "average" of the number of correct answers, that determines what gets assigned as "100." You didn't understand the question. > Of course, that average has undoubtedly been going down as technology and our education systems dumb down people. Smart people know better than to mistake their beliefs for facts, and they certainly know better than to have no doubt about those beliefs. As it turns out, you are incorrect, and it has been necessary to make IQ tests harder over the years in order to keep the mean at 100: Flynn effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[^]
Flynn effect - quite true. It may be an artefact of generally increasing childhood health, nutrition etc. When the greatest proportion of "the population" (choose yours) has roughly the same conditions as the previous generation, the Flynn Effect will become very interesting.
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OK, so 100 is the average intelligence. Without really thinking about it, one kind of assumes that average is... well, you know - meh, average. Not smart, not stupid, just... average. But actually, has anyone done any studies to really get a handle on just what average intelligence amounts to? (Other than answering IQ tests...) 'cos I think it's probably pretty damned stupid. I'm asking this in all seriousness - not trying to have a rant. What **is** average intelligence - just how smart (or dumb) is someone with an IQ of 100? For example - how would such people fare in: applications to an average university a course to become an airline pilot learning to program in C# studying law running for public office (ha ha just joking with that one!) ..this sort of thing... [edit] just to be clear: I am not looking for a scientifically rigorous answer - the question doesn't have one, I know that. Just.. as the title says: how smart is average?
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt. "If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
Wombat: (a) IQ score determines individual success pretty much in proportion to the prevailing level of meritocracy. (b) Ie, rigidly structured societies heavily dampen IQ sorting. In history we can often find the top strata of some societies infested with complete maroons. (c) Wombats have square poop. I have one that often browses through my back yard, leaving scat.
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Not on a professionally supervised Stanford-Binet or Weschler you didn't. Just because a thing (on-line thing, yes?) says "IQ Test" don't mean didley-squat. A couple points: (a) Professionally valid IQ tests are increasingly unreliable above 150. But getting a score over 150 means that you are really, really smart. (b) The IQ scores you boast of above are higher than Gary Kasparov, Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein. Anyone scoring that high will cause a local ripple and people would want to talk to you, and re-test you (the "unreliabilty" thing) So, to summarize, I think I will discount your opinion of IQ testing, because it seems pretty obvious that you have never (other than Mensa) been "properly" tested. Good to know that you are on the A-Ark :) (at least, they told you it was the A-Ark, right? But the guys who told you it was the A-Ark, they aren't on board are they?)
Robert g Blair wrote:
Not on a professionally supervised Stanford-Binet or Weschler you didn't.
I don't know them by name, but there was definitely one "professionally supervised" one ~30 years ago... And without going into detail (Real name, public forum, etc), there were significant effects. Life-changing, even.
Robert g Blair wrote:
The IQ scores you boast of above are higher than Gary Kasparov, Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein.
Which is exactly why I think the entire concept is garbage. Either I have as much potential as them, and just haven't been motivated to reach it, or the measurement itself is flawed. I would assume the latter.
Robert g Blair wrote:
Good to know that you are on the A-Ark :) (at least, they told you it was the A-Ark, right? But the guys who told you it was the A-Ark, they aren't on board are they?)
Pfft, there IS no A-Ark... That's just what we told those fools on the B-Ark... Hold on, my telephone is ringing... Someone should really clean this thing... X|
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Robert g Blair wrote:
Not on a professionally supervised Stanford-Binet or Weschler you didn't.
I don't know them by name, but there was definitely one "professionally supervised" one ~30 years ago... And without going into detail (Real name, public forum, etc), there were significant effects. Life-changing, even.
Robert g Blair wrote:
The IQ scores you boast of above are higher than Gary Kasparov, Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein.
Which is exactly why I think the entire concept is garbage. Either I have as much potential as them, and just haven't been motivated to reach it, or the measurement itself is flawed. I would assume the latter.
Robert g Blair wrote:
Good to know that you are on the A-Ark :) (at least, they told you it was the A-Ark, right? But the guys who told you it was the A-Ark, they aren't on board are they?)
Pfft, there IS no A-Ark... That's just what we told those fools on the B-Ark... Hold on, my telephone is ringing... Someone should really clean this thing... X|
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Sure Ian. Can I just get this straight: You scored 185 or 200 on a professionally supervised IQ test. But you failed a Mensa test (passing grade = 132). Because "
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Which of these things is not like the other?" questions were really "Which of the several obvious answers to this is the one we decided is correct?", and I lost time on the math section because I hadn't done long multiplication/division by hand in years
To people who are familiar with IQ testing Ian, those excuses are quite funny. Both of them reveal an inability to understand the concepts. False negatives, ie, scoring lower than you can, (deliberate, language problems, illness etc) are quite possible on those tests. It happens sometimes. False positives, ie, scoring higher than you should, has only ever been achieved by cheating. And usually requires collusion with the test proctor. EDIT: Just thinking about my own experience, I have toned this post down a bit. It is quite possible you tested low at Mensa because of illness, or after-effects of something (I don't want to say drugs or anything). I had the experience, for several years, of being "dumb" - due to illness. When I look back at the (not so good) code I wrote back then I can remember how "hard" everything seemed to be. Still, I did manage to complete a couple projects in a reasonable manner. So maybe "average" people can cut code ...
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Sure Ian. Can I just get this straight: You scored 185 or 200 on a professionally supervised IQ test. But you failed a Mensa test (passing grade = 132). Because "
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Which of these things is not like the other?" questions were really "Which of the several obvious answers to this is the one we decided is correct?", and I lost time on the math section because I hadn't done long multiplication/division by hand in years
To people who are familiar with IQ testing Ian, those excuses are quite funny. Both of them reveal an inability to understand the concepts. False negatives, ie, scoring lower than you can, (deliberate, language problems, illness etc) are quite possible on those tests. It happens sometimes. False positives, ie, scoring higher than you should, has only ever been achieved by cheating. And usually requires collusion with the test proctor. EDIT: Just thinking about my own experience, I have toned this post down a bit. It is quite possible you tested low at Mensa because of illness, or after-effects of something (I don't want to say drugs or anything). I had the experience, for several years, of being "dumb" - due to illness. When I look back at the (not so good) code I wrote back then I can remember how "hard" everything seemed to be. Still, I did manage to complete a couple projects in a reasonable manner. So maybe "average" people can cut code ...
Robert g Blair wrote:
To people who are familiar with IQ testing Ian, those excuses are quite funny. Both of them reveal an inability to understand the concepts.
An inability to understand the concepts... When they show five line drawings, ask the old "Which of these things is not like the other", and there are several things that exactly four of them have in common, it becomes a game of "Read the test designer's mind". As for the long division... My own fault, I suppose... Too much time relying on computers and calculators, so I had to re-teach myself the basics.
Robert g Blair wrote:
False negatives, ie, scoring lower than you can, (deliberate, language problems, illness etc) are quite possible on those tests. It happens sometimes.
I was getting over a cold at the time, but I wouldn't use that as an excuse... If I felt too sick to take the test, I would have postponed it.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
OK, so 100 is the average intelligence. Without really thinking about it, one kind of assumes that average is... well, you know - meh, average. Not smart, not stupid, just... average. But actually, has anyone done any studies to really get a handle on just what average intelligence amounts to? (Other than answering IQ tests...) 'cos I think it's probably pretty damned stupid. I'm asking this in all seriousness - not trying to have a rant. What **is** average intelligence - just how smart (or dumb) is someone with an IQ of 100? For example - how would such people fare in: applications to an average university a course to become an airline pilot learning to program in C# studying law running for public office (ha ha just joking with that one!) ..this sort of thing... [edit] just to be clear: I am not looking for a scientifically rigorous answer - the question doesn't have one, I know that. Just.. as the title says: how smart is average?
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt. "If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
It's actually quite an important question - as "dumb" jobs get automated the entry level for having a real job gets higher. That means that a growing number of people must be unable to find work. So their lives can - to them - lack validation. If I were one of them I would get angry. So when a person of average intelligence can't find something meaningful to do, all hell might break loose. Needs a better brain than mine to re-engineer society.
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Member 12023988 wrote:
because his multiplication and division were rusty
More to the point, anyone with an IQ in the 180 range would not have to remember or even be taught how to do multiplication and division. Someone on that level would be able to quickly derive methods for doing so on the spot, easily.
Well, that's not "more to the point", because it's not me who was explaining why he failed the test questions, I was simply quoting his explanation. As I said, his moronic and dishonest explanation that his multiplication and division were "rusty" was "particularly amusing". As I wrote elsewhere,
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There's no division on these tests that even a halfwit can't do in their heads, and even if there were such problems, manual multiplication and division are trivial rote procedures that high IQ brains don't forget. People with 200 IQs can visualize in multiple dimensions; they don't struggle with arithmetic. If this person scored 200 on "official" tests, how did he manage that with such poor skills, and why did he do so much worse on a test that purportedly has scores inflated by 20%? These are the sorts of obvious questions that people with average IQs don't bother to ask.