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Musk says we are a computer simulation

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  • B BillWoodruff

    "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

    «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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    TheThorpeMachine
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    I think Life is a Video Game is probably a pretty good analogy. Which is similar to what Elon is saying.

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    • B BillWoodruff

      "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

      «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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      David Schiffer
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      We most certainly live in a holographic Universe and we are most certainly AI's in the making. However, that simulation does not run on any computer, it runs inside our very soul which is part of the Creator soul. That is age-old wisdom from the Zohar, 3000 years old. And as it were, the conclusion of quantum mechanics. Cool to see that Elon is starting to get it :)

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      • B BillWoodruff

        "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

        «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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        User 11508194
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        Maybe it wasn't The Matrix . . . maybe he read this: Are You Living in a Simulation?[^]

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        • B BillWoodruff

          "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

          «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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          syntotic
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          Yeah, I wrote a model of Physics based on that idea and it found Space curved and pi in no time. SURELY we can characterize Life in such way, but maybe that particular statement.

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          • R rtpHarry

            yeah this is the end of the show, they are burning off the final few episodes: Person of Interest (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[^] The series was renewed for a 13-episode fifth season,[3] which was later confirmed to be the final season.[4] The season premiered on May 3, 2016, and its series finale will air on June 21, 2016.[5]

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            ledtech3
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            Well bummer, I couldn't watch the last 2 seasons because the episodes were never available online , on there site, with out the new Pay thing anyway. I don't have any of the payed services that you could have watched them on and no TV antenna.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              I wondered why there was a big red sign saying "LEVEL 2" when I reached 1,000,000 rep points!

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              Herbie Mountjoy
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              I think I'm a curly brace short of a function... I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.

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              • S Slow Eddie

                Well a program bug would explain the presidential race this year.... :omg:

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                Chris Ross 2
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                Nah! Not a bug - just a hacker having a laugh!

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                • B BillWoodruff

                  "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

                  «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                  InfinitelyRemote
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                  To suggest that we must living in a computer simulation is to disregard the extra dimensionality of reality. It means only that our most advanced technologies tend toward the state of our reality. I think it would be more accurate to suggest that the knowable limits of our reality have much in common with computer simulations. A computer? Really? BIGGER! Think outside the hyper-cube :)

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                  • B BillWoodruff

                    "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

                    «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                    bkebamc
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                    Nice to know that Musk believes in God - er, I mean "The Architect." I hope that Musk has enough of a hold on reality to renounce the belief that he is "the One." Otherwise I'll be facing one day as he moans "It's not fair. It's not fair!"

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                    • B BillWoodruff

                      "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

                      «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                      Kirk 10389821
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                      Is this the same guy who thinks that non-recyclable batteries that charge from coal power plants is more green than fossil fuels? (Maybe he is just HOPING it's a simulation because he realizes he is his own worst enemy?) LOL

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                      • R Ravi Bhavnani

                        I'd like some of whatever he's smoking. :) /ravi

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                        Ralph Trickey
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                        When you look at things like the Planck constant, it actually makes a lot of sense. You lose fidelity at the edges.

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                        • C Chris Ross 2

                          Nah! Not a bug - just a hacker having a laugh!

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                          Slow Eddie
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                          Well I guess the joke will be on us... :(

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                          • R Ralph Trickey

                            When you look at things like the Planck constant, it actually makes a lot of sense. You lose fidelity at the edges.

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                            Mateusz Jakub
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                            He has to smoke strong stuff to look at Planck constant. Also when you smoke you lose fidelity at the edges. Friday beers also make me lose fidelity at the edges.

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                            • B BillWoodruff

                              "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

                              «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                              EO2012
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                              I think Elon Musk hasn't been rebooted in a while.

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                              • R Ralph Trickey

                                When you look at things like the Planck constant, it actually makes a lot of sense. You lose fidelity at the edges.

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                                Member 12023988
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                                This is a ridiculous argument. There is no reason to think that such things aren't simply how the world is ... especially, since, without them, the laws of physics would not give rise to this world containing intelligent beings able to analyze it. The weak anthropic principle demolishes these "this must be a simulation" arguments.

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                                • L Lucas D Luengo

                                  Once you start learning a little bit about quantum mechanics you can't help but agree. The fact that the universe doesn't hold the position of every particle in "memory" but a probability simplification... That's exactly what I'd do to save resources if I were to program a universe. The fact that there is a speed limit (light speed) is so weird that I have to think it's done because otherwise the processing speed required would be infinite. It makes perfect sense. Oh! I almost forgot... Did you know that the universe has a "resolution"? Yup. 0,000000000000000000000000000000000001 meters is the smallest possible size for anything

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                                  I know a lot about QM and I don't agree. Without the facts of physical law you mention, the inflationary Big Bang, the coalescence of matter into stars, and the arisal of organisms that can figure these things out would not occur. Therefore, such facts of physical law are logically necessary. This is the weak anthropic principle.

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                                    Is this the same guy who thinks that non-recyclable batteries that charge from coal power plants is more green than fossil fuels? (Maybe he is just HOPING it's a simulation because he realizes he is his own worst enemy?) LOL

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                                    Member 12023988
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                                    You're mouthing fossil fuel industry propaganda.

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                                    • M Member 12023988

                                      I know a lot about QM and I don't agree. Without the facts of physical law you mention, the inflationary Big Bang, the coalescence of matter into stars, and the arisal of organisms that can figure these things out would not occur. Therefore, such facts of physical law are logically necessary. This is the weak anthropic principle.

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                                      Lucas D Luengo
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                                      I don't know a lot about QM, but a quick search for weak anthropic principle tells me that you are using a philosophical definition as counter-argument. I agree with the fact that we evolved to be compatible with the universe that surrounds us. But that doesn't imply that the universe is real. If anything, it says that we are simulations compatibles with the simulation that it is our universe. My point was that if I were to simulate a universe I would probably take some shortcuts, such as the ones we can see in QM

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                                      • B BillWoodruff

                                        "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

                                        «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                                        Bram van Kampen
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                                        Well, That's just an opinion of Musk (Who is he? Should I know him?), but, in a certain sense also a very old one. Plato concluded several thousand years ago, that the entire individual human existence is tied up with observations by the senses, and, what the mind makes of it. Pascal came to the fundamental point, In essence, his argument was "I must Exist, because I can question my own Existence"! (I Observe Mijself Thinking, So I Must Exist)(I Think, so I am) Emanuel Kant subsequently argued that the existence of anything outside the human observation through the human senses, can never be proved or disproved. So, the existence of any Supernatural God, can be neither Proved or Dis Proved. What Musk states here is a believe, or a religion. He believes it, and good luck for him. Others believe in Jesus Christ, Allah, Zeus, or the Easter bunny. All these believes are irrational, and hark back to the dark ages, when humans started to populate the world, and, having been given a rational brain which tries to see order, classification and reason, finding themselves in a nature which favors Chaos. Well, Musk may be right or wrong! There is just absolutely no way of knowing, so there is no point of getting excited about it. We Do already know that we live in a strange universum, where Quantum Mechanics and Relativity Theory stretch common sense and observation to the limit. I am a materialist, and, am much derided for that opinion by many philosopher old friends. I believe that the human brain is essentially a computer, the complexity of which we are only beginning to understand. Not a Binary Computer, each synapse in our brain can issue outwards, and react inwards to, at least 5 types of signal. Imagine this combined with the fact of several billion of synapses. The computing power, if properly organized, becomes Immense. Now, I hear someone say, because of this complexity, some higher intelligence, i.e God, must have built this. The argument of the watch on the beach. My Argument is here that we, as humanity now exist. All sort of unlikely things just happened to fall into place,an humanity emerged, just all by unlikely chance. However, we are trying to explain our own existence! Had the confluence of events worked differently, and created a world without human existence, no humans would have existed to ask the question. Regards, Bram

                                        Bram van Kampen

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                                        • B BillWoodruff

                                          "Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation. Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California:" [^]. Excellent, that means we don't need to buy a Tesla.

                                          «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                                          Brady Kelly
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                                          It's taken him this long to stumble upon the Simulation Argument?

                                          Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. - Liber AL vel Legis 1:40, Aleister Crowley

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