This is great.
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KaЯl wrote: Wouldn't you have a small tendency to fall sometimes into extremist arguments? No. Or, maybe. I tend to see things in black and white, very few shades of grey. KaЯl wrote: Did Sweden or Switzerland ask for the wipe out of Israel OK - this answer should have been read in the context of, "I can already hear the Arab countries claiming the US are an israeli puppet." - not the entire world. Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: this answer should have been read in the context of, "I can already hear the Arab countries claiming the US are an israeli puppet." - not the entire world. Ok, sorry. However, Egypt and Jordan have already signed a peace treaty with Israel. With a negociation about the Golan (and the syrian "influence" on Lebanon), I think syria could sign one too
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Ok. So Monaco, Lichtenstein and Luxembourg should worry :)
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Naah, M1A1 can't manuveur in small places:-D
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KaЯl wrote: Why are you so sure it will collapse? Many reasons: Young generation (vote from 16 I think) are already a majority, they're secular, know the west (illegal sattelite dishes are common), and want world acceptance The clerics gave some fake democracy, the people liked it and now want more Viable opposition The best overview is Tom Friedman columns from NYTimes from several months ago.
I agree with your arguments, but not with your conclusions. Iranian evolution to a more democratic state could be peaceful and progressive, without a collapse of Iran. Of course, I suppose for that there wouldn't be external interference like in the past. Would be a democratic Iran pro-US? Not that sure.
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Saddam was a villain, easy to stoke the fires of war against. Syria (while not 100% innocent) would be a much harder sell. Frankly, I think the general populace in the US wants to rebuild Iraq and get on with life. Not to mention, it's time for the UN to step up and prove it's relevence. Sadly, I doubt this will happen. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Saddam was a villain, easy to stoke the fires of war against. Syria (while not 100% innocent) would be a much harder sell. Frankly, I think the general populace in the US wants to rebuild Iraq and get on with life. Not to mention, it's time for the UN to step up and prove it's relevence. Sadly, I doubt this will happen. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Saddam was a villain, easy to stoke the fires of war against Weird, I don't see differences betwwen SH and the Assad dynasty! Mike Mullikin wrote: Not to menetion, it's time for the UN to step up and prove it's relevence. Sadly, I doubt this will happen. I doubt it too, unless the US back for this time the UN policy, even if it doesn't follow strictly the american point of view.
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No one wants UN to have teeth. Then Israel will also have to comply. I don't know whether there are any UN resolutions against Syria. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: No one wants UN to have teeth. Then Israel will also have to comply. Well, no. Resolutions regarding Israel are chapter 6 - advisory, so you don't have to implement:)
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Saddam was a villain, easy to stoke the fires of war against Weird, I don't see differences betwwen SH and the Assad dynasty! Mike Mullikin wrote: Not to menetion, it's time for the UN to step up and prove it's relevence. Sadly, I doubt this will happen. I doubt it too, unless the US back for this time the UN policy, even if it doesn't follow strictly the american point of view.
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KaЯl wrote: unless the US back for this time the UN policy, even if it doesn't follow strictly the american point of view. The same can be said about France, Germany & Russia. ;P The UN's irrelevence comes from it's inability to deal with the "Iraqs" of the world not from the lack of backing from the US/UK. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Ok. So Monaco, Lichtenstein and Luxembourg should worry :)
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yes, i think they should. we're pretty sick and tired of seeing all those rich people enjoying themselves in Monaco. and, since they have no military, and everyone knows what the US thinks about the French military, it should start thinking about building bunkers. Luxembourg sounds like a dangerous place - they spent $148 million dollars on their military in 2002! what are they planning! Lichtenstein? their obnoxious neutrality and ties to the horrible Swiss make them prime targets for regime change. -c
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No one wants UN to have teeth. Then Israel will also have to comply. I don't know whether there are any UN resolutions against Syria. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: No one wants UN to have teeth. Really?! Someone should tell the UN, because they keep making resolutions that are ignored. Thomas George wrote: Then Israel will also have to comply. It always comes back to Israel. Why? Mike Mullikin :beer:
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KaЯl wrote: Why are you so sure it will collapse? Many reasons: Young generation (vote from 16 I think) are already a majority, they're secular, know the west (illegal sattelite dishes are common), and want world acceptance The clerics gave some fake democracy, the people liked it and now want more Viable opposition The best overview is Tom Friedman columns from NYTimes from several months ago.
I agree with you, it will change, but not collapse, a peacefull revolution might come in a couple of years. I have high hopes for Iran. Max.
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"I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria, for example," Bush said. Does he want to start another war? Also, is the US claiming that they, the Russians, the Chinese etc. don't have chemical weapons, that having chemical weapons became a big issue? AFAIK, whatever their reputation be, Syria has not done a military offensive on a neighbouring country like Iraq did. Anyway, the statement sounds ominous. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
What about the chemical, biological and nucelar weapons in Israel, or their violation of UN resolutions ? Oops, can't mention that X| The tigress is here :-D
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Thomas George wrote: No one wants UN to have teeth. Really?! Someone should tell the UN, because they keep making resolutions that are ignored. Thomas George wrote: Then Israel will also have to comply. It always comes back to Israel. Why? Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Double standards ! The tigress is here :-D
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we could probably take out Syria in a week. there wouldn't even be time for the news networks to update their graphics. it would be perfect. Iran would take too long, and i don't think the US population is up for yet another war. (of course i'm probably wrong about that) -c
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I think Syria would be harder to take; they didn't have 10 years of embargo, and might have really cool weapons sold by weapon merchants all over the world. Also, to win in a war in Syria, with the expected modern weapon would mean a lot more bombing, and destruction; and from what I know, the people are not held in vise like the people in Irak, they might love to fight for their own freedom against USA. Max.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: this answer should have been read in the context of, "I can already hear the Arab countries claiming the US are an israeli puppet." - not the entire world. Ok, sorry. However, Egypt and Jordan have already signed a peace treaty with Israel. With a negociation about the Golan (and the syrian "influence" on Lebanon), I think syria could sign one too
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KaЯl wrote: However, Egypt and Jordan have already signed a peace treaty with Israel. With a negociation about the Golan (and the syrian "influence" on Lebanon), I think syria could sign one too Let's start by saying, the governments of these two countries have signed an agreement. Follow by realizing that neither are representative governments so it is safe to say the wishes of "the Arab Street" may be quite different. Since underground tunnels wee found from Egypt into Gaza for the import of weapons, a couple of months ago, it is safe to assume that there is some level of disagreement with the peace treaty. For an Israeli / Syrian agreement to be effective the government of Israel would return the Golan Heights? That would be sucicide for Israel. Just my opinion. obviously. I happen to be a skeptic on the subject. I believe there needs to new generations born that all see the world, race, land and religion differently before there will be peace in that region. Or, new leaders need to rise that think much differently. Mike
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Thomas George wrote: No one wants UN to have teeth. Really?! Someone should tell the UN, because they keep making resolutions that are ignored. Thomas George wrote: Then Israel will also have to comply. It always comes back to Israel. Why? Mike Mullikin :beer:
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If UN passes a resolution that asks US to open itself to weapons inspectors from other countries, will it comply? I am certain that it will not; and there will be nothing that UN can do about it. If Saddam had a few nuclear weapons mounted on a couple of ICBMs, everyone would still be negotiating. What can be enforced is inversely proportional to the military strength of the opponent. It comes back to Israel because all the issues that are in the Middle-East today are directly linked to Israel - the patronizing of Israel by the West; and the hatred of Israel by Arabs. This issue that causes the most tension around the world, whereas most other conflicts are localized. They are localized particularly because there are no third-party superpowers involved. I don't expect the middle-east problems to get solved until the hatred dies down on both sides. I have no particular affiliation to either Israel or Arabs; but I get the feeling that the western policies heavily favour the Israeli side. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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KaЯl wrote: unless the US back for this time the UN policy, even if it doesn't follow strictly the american point of view. The same can be said about France, Germany & Russia. ;P The UN's irrelevence comes from it's inability to deal with the "Iraqs" of the world not from the lack of backing from the US/UK. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: The same can be said about France, Germany & Russia Yes, of course for France and Russia, which are veto powers. For the moment, the international role of Germany is still weak, but grows slowly. Mike Mullikin wrote: The UN's irrelevence comes from it's inability to deal with the "Iraqs" More than half of the countries on Earth are Iraq-like (minus the oil, of course ;P), bloody dictatorships. Mike Mullikin wrote: from the US/UK USK? :rolleyes:
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Seems to be a bit of buzz around US going into Syria next. It would be a bad mistake at this point. I don't think it will happen, but I don't rule out trying to put some heat on them for being an ally to Saddam. But of course at some point weren't we all partners with him? BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Naah, M1A1 can't manuveur in small places:-D
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What about the chemical, biological and nucelar weapons in Israel, or their violation of UN resolutions ? Oops, can't mention that X| The tigress is here :-D
Well you can mention it, but you'll be left cold and grey from about 9am EST.
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