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  • N Nish Nishant

    Tragic. 73 confirmed dead as of right now, including lots of children. :(

    Regards, Nish


    Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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    Herman T Instance
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    84 confirmed at this moment. It is hard to understand that someone can do this....

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      I hope you are safe. My thoughts are with you tonight.

      This space for rent

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      BillWoodruff
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      Vive La France ! :rose: with sadness, and respect, Bill

      «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        I hope you are safe. My thoughts are with you tonight.

        This space for rent

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        xiecsuk
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        Latest figures say 84 dead, 18 injured. My thoughts are with the French today.

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          84 confirmed at this moment. It is hard to understand that someone can do this....

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          They are terrorists: the whole idea is to do such terrible things that people will accept anything to make it stop happening. If you can't understand the motivation, that's probably a good thing - it says good things about your character.

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            I hope you are safe. My thoughts are with you tonight.

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            Bomb Mecca. Each time such an atrocity takes place, the affected country should bomb Mecca, Medina and any other place holy to Islam. Maybe they will stop then. If not, repeat the medicine.

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              I hope you are safe. My thoughts are with you tonight.

              This space for rent

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              Tom Deketelaere
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              My thoughts go out to all the victims and their families. Tragic

              Tom

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              • V Vivi Chellappa

                Bomb Mecca. Each time such an atrocity takes place, the affected country should bomb Mecca, Medina and any other place holy to Islam. Maybe they will stop then. If not, repeat the medicine.

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                This is the most ridiculous statement I have seen. Why do you want to do that. Statement like this inflames the situation.

                cheers,

                Super

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                • V Vivi Chellappa

                  Bomb Mecca. Each time such an atrocity takes place, the affected country should bomb Mecca, Medina and any other place holy to Islam. Maybe they will stop then. If not, repeat the medicine.

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                  Tom Deketelaere
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                  That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them. You can't condemn / attack an entire religion / people on the actions of a (relative) few. It's the individuals that misuse the religion to get whatever they want, chaos, money, power, ... It's those individuals we need to find and stop. Every religion has it's radicals, yes at the moment the islam has the worst one's (maybe), but that doesn't mean that every moslim is bad. And

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                  Maybe they will stop then.

                  They won't, and it most likely would have the opposite effect, more people would join the terrorist side. And before you ask: I'm an atheist so I don't care about the religion part.

                  Tom

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                  • P PradeepGaggandeep

                    My thoughts and prayers are with the French muslim community this morning. As a society, we (the west) must find a way to prevent whatever is driving good young men to actions like this. Whatever intolerance it is, must be rooted out by a sensible government.

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                    So you're asking for intolerance of intolerance? It doesn't take long to get very, very complicated, does it?

                    I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                    • V Vivi Chellappa

                      Bomb Mecca. Each time such an atrocity takes place, the affected country should bomb Mecca, Medina and any other place holy to Islam. Maybe they will stop then. If not, repeat the medicine.

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                      Fire, meet petrol! :doh:

                      I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                      • T Tom Deketelaere

                        That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them. You can't condemn / attack an entire religion / people on the actions of a (relative) few. It's the individuals that misuse the religion to get whatever they want, chaos, money, power, ... It's those individuals we need to find and stop. Every religion has it's radicals, yes at the moment the islam has the worst one's (maybe), but that doesn't mean that every moslim is bad. And

                        Vivic wrote:

                        Maybe they will stop then.

                        They won't, and it most likely would have the opposite effect, more people would join the terrorist side. And before you ask: I'm an atheist so I don't care about the religion part.

                        Tom

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                        Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                        That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them.

                        I reply only to this affirmation, as I don't agree with the proposed solution but this sentence always catches my attention. I (and I speak only for myself) wish not to be better than them. I wish to be able to go on with my life without the fear of an idiot coming to kill as much as he/she can without even the self-preservation instinct that every animal possess.

                        GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          I hope you are safe. My thoughts are with you tonight.

                          This space for rent

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                          realJSOP
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                          I'm waiting for Obama to say something stupid again, like "It's almost as easy to buy a truck as it is a book... or a Glock.

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                          • 9 9082365

                            So you're asking for intolerance of intolerance? It doesn't take long to get very, very complicated, does it?

                            I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                            9082365 wrote:

                            So you're asking for intolerance of intolerance?

                            No. Just intolerance of immorality.

                            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            • T Tom Deketelaere

                              That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them. You can't condemn / attack an entire religion / people on the actions of a (relative) few. It's the individuals that misuse the religion to get whatever they want, chaos, money, power, ... It's those individuals we need to find and stop. Every religion has it's radicals, yes at the moment the islam has the worst one's (maybe), but that doesn't mean that every moslim is bad. And

                              Vivic wrote:

                              Maybe they will stop then.

                              They won't, and it most likely would have the opposite effect, more people would join the terrorist side. And before you ask: I'm an atheist so I don't care about the religion part.

                              Tom

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                              Not that his idea is good, but being morally superior is useless. It's no more than an opinion, it has no real effect on the state of the world. The other side is morally superior too, if you ask them. So where does that leave us? Exitus acta probat.

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                                This is the most ridiculous statement I have seen. Why do you want to do that. Statement like this inflames the situation.

                                cheers,

                                Super

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                                Ridiculous - well not in a necessarily strategic sense. A gorilla type army, particularly one that is highly dispersed, can go on indefinitely. The only way to really end such an insurgency is to attack the homeland to the extent that those sending them do not want any further damage as it is no longer worth the potential gains. Daesh, for all practical purposes, doesn't have a homeland. Furthermore, losses to troops are not a concern (martyrdom and all that), even for the troops. So - without an 'homeland' or troops that can be demoralized, what do you do? Attacks, such as in "everywhere", cannot be stopped directly. You need to hit the demoralizing option by whatever means. So - what shall it be? Remember: The Taliban was planted in Pakistan by the Saudis, financed and raised, Daesh by Qatar, Hezbalah is a 'we didn't do it' proxy for Iraq. On and on. So - what do you suggest we do? What will hurt enough to make them consider stopping? I've had some grizzly proposals of my own, but it's up to you. What is the most moral route (if that's what you wish):  How many lives (of innocent bystanders) are you willing to merely mourn? When do you work on prevention? Your move.

                                Ravings en masse^

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  I'm waiting for Obama to say something stupid again, like "It's almost as easy to buy a truck as it is a book... or a Glock.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                  den2k88
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                                  :thumbsup:

                                  GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                                  • 9 9082365

                                    So you're asking for intolerance of intolerance? It doesn't take long to get very, very complicated, does it?

                                    I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                    Tolerate intolerance and you end up conquered. As in military conquered, i.e. slave. Then we wouldn't be able to propagate tolerance ideals because we'd be flogged or killed for doing so. NOTE: The second sentence ha been written using "we" instead of thye common "you" in order not to sound accusatory. There are probably better ways to phrase it but I'm no native speaker.

                                    GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                                      Ridiculous - well not in a necessarily strategic sense. A gorilla type army, particularly one that is highly dispersed, can go on indefinitely. The only way to really end such an insurgency is to attack the homeland to the extent that those sending them do not want any further damage as it is no longer worth the potential gains. Daesh, for all practical purposes, doesn't have a homeland. Furthermore, losses to troops are not a concern (martyrdom and all that), even for the troops. So - without an 'homeland' or troops that can be demoralized, what do you do? Attacks, such as in "everywhere", cannot be stopped directly. You need to hit the demoralizing option by whatever means. So - what shall it be? Remember: The Taliban was planted in Pakistan by the Saudis, financed and raised, Daesh by Qatar, Hezbalah is a 'we didn't do it' proxy for Iraq. On and on. So - what do you suggest we do? What will hurt enough to make them consider stopping? I've had some grizzly proposals of my own, but it's up to you. What is the most moral route (if that's what you wish):  How many lives (of innocent bystanders) are you willing to merely mourn? When do you work on prevention? Your move.

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      super
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                                      I don't want to discuss further and make in a soapbox material. If you post in SB I will reply it

                                      cheers,

                                      Super

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                                        Ridiculous - well not in a necessarily strategic sense. A gorilla type army, particularly one that is highly dispersed, can go on indefinitely. The only way to really end such an insurgency is to attack the homeland to the extent that those sending them do not want any further damage as it is no longer worth the potential gains. Daesh, for all practical purposes, doesn't have a homeland. Furthermore, losses to troops are not a concern (martyrdom and all that), even for the troops. So - without an 'homeland' or troops that can be demoralized, what do you do? Attacks, such as in "everywhere", cannot be stopped directly. You need to hit the demoralizing option by whatever means. So - what shall it be? Remember: The Taliban was planted in Pakistan by the Saudis, financed and raised, Daesh by Qatar, Hezbalah is a 'we didn't do it' proxy for Iraq. On and on. So - what do you suggest we do? What will hurt enough to make them consider stopping? I've had some grizzly proposals of my own, but it's up to you. What is the most moral route (if that's what you wish):  How many lives (of innocent bystanders) are you willing to merely mourn? When do you work on prevention? Your move.

                                        Ravings en masse^

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        den2k88
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                                        Brilliant analysis! :thumbsup:

                                        GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                                        • P Pete OHanlon

                                          I hope you are safe. My thoughts are with you tonight.

                                          This space for rent

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                                          W Balboos GHB
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                                          Horribly, I had foreseen this method of attack over a decade ago - only it was executed in the form of a coordinated effort (rental trucks all over a country, small towns and large, creating serious nation-wide fear). Probably this is already on the horizon. There are others such possibilities - but like the above, I do not 'share' lest I plant a seed in someones mind. The driver is dead (I'm waiting for the Swiss minister of foreign affairs to call this an extra-judicial execution). They'll find another - or, noting the success, a small army of them. The real question for the West is - what needs to be done to motivate them to stop killing innocent people at random.  Then, don't blink . . . just do it.

                                          Ravings en masse^

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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