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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    That they can count to 42?

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    Actually, no. I have not yet seen anyone actually do that. It seems like it's sufficient for them to be able to memorize that number.

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      Actually, no. I have not yet seen anyone actually do that. It seems like it's sufficient for them to be able to memorize that number.

      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
      This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
      "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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      Oh, but that's easy if you just have faith! One. Two. Erm...Three? Many? Lots? 42 See how easy it all is if you aren't allowed to think? :laugh:

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        Oh, but that's easy if you just have faith! One. Two. Erm...Three? Many? Lots? 42 See how easy it all is if you aren't allowed to think? :laugh:

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        Since I lack all that blind faith - how does this[^] fit into the picture?

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          Since I lack all that blind faith - how does this[^] fit into the picture?

          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
          This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
          "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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          Well, obviously that is upside down. So it's the work of Santa!

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Well, obviously that is upside down. So it's the work of Santa!

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            Santa? The sock puppet of Coca Cola?

            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
            This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
            "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              Santa? The sock puppet of Coca Cola?

              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              That's what they want you to think! Actually, he's one of Our Lizard Masters: IRON SKY 2[^]

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              • P PradeepGaggandeep

                The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth | Answers in Genesis[^] Worth a read

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                I met a viking who told me I should believe in Odin, Thor, Freya and a lot of other gods. I then traveled to the south to met a German who said they're actually called Wodan and Donar. Travelling further I stumbled upon the village of Asterix, who told me Belenos and others were the gods to worship. My travels brought me to Italy and all of a sudden I found people prayed to a bunch of planets! Still seeking for the truth I traveled to Greece and learned about Zeus, Hercules and Hades. Seemed like a nice bunch. So anyway, I had to go on and came to Egypt. Osiris, Isis and Anubis were worshiped, to name but a few. Traveling further to India people worshiped Vishnu, Lakshmi and Shiva. Those are just a few of the more popular pantheons that were once (or still) considered "the truth". Other deities included Izanagi, Izanami, Hiruko (Japanese), Ba, Yu-Huang, Lei-King, Lei-Tzi (China), Qoatlicue, Quetzalcoatl (Aztec), Kokopelli, Nanook, Asdzą́ą́ Nádleehé (different native American tribes), Anu, Eriskhigal, Gilgamesh (Sumerian) and many, many, many, many more (thousands and thousands). Then came Christianity and, unfortunately, one of the greatest conquerors of that time decided everyone should worship that one God. He did a pretty good job in converting (read: killing all those who didn't believe) the European continent. Then things started to get really messy, because, even though everyone believed in the same God, they couldn't agree on how to worship him. Some said we needed great churches with riches beyond your imagination. Others said we needed sober churches and wealth wasn't an issue. Long story short, there are, again, thousands of religions. The biggest difference with ye olden days is that they now all believe in the same God. Some God, who can't keep his followers straight. Anyway, the prophet Mohammed decided it was time for the same God, but slightly different, and founded the Islam. They've been in the news a lot lately. Like Christians, Islamic people aren't always very peaceful. Now what do all these religions have in common? They claim to have the truth, but they haven't. They're replaced with something else. They're responsible for many wars and death's. They're complete and utter nonsense. A lot of them can be found in popular pop culture like books, music, video games and movies. Now if I want a good laugh I'll be sure to read your article. Until that time comes I have a few thousands "truths" to catch up to. Yours is last on the list, right after Pastafarianism (who claim the F

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  I met a viking who told me I should believe in Odin, Thor, Freya and a lot of other gods. I then traveled to the south to met a German who said they're actually called Wodan and Donar. Travelling further I stumbled upon the village of Asterix, who told me Belenos and others were the gods to worship. My travels brought me to Italy and all of a sudden I found people prayed to a bunch of planets! Still seeking for the truth I traveled to Greece and learned about Zeus, Hercules and Hades. Seemed like a nice bunch. So anyway, I had to go on and came to Egypt. Osiris, Isis and Anubis were worshiped, to name but a few. Traveling further to India people worshiped Vishnu, Lakshmi and Shiva. Those are just a few of the more popular pantheons that were once (or still) considered "the truth". Other deities included Izanagi, Izanami, Hiruko (Japanese), Ba, Yu-Huang, Lei-King, Lei-Tzi (China), Qoatlicue, Quetzalcoatl (Aztec), Kokopelli, Nanook, Asdzą́ą́ Nádleehé (different native American tribes), Anu, Eriskhigal, Gilgamesh (Sumerian) and many, many, many, many more (thousands and thousands). Then came Christianity and, unfortunately, one of the greatest conquerors of that time decided everyone should worship that one God. He did a pretty good job in converting (read: killing all those who didn't believe) the European continent. Then things started to get really messy, because, even though everyone believed in the same God, they couldn't agree on how to worship him. Some said we needed great churches with riches beyond your imagination. Others said we needed sober churches and wealth wasn't an issue. Long story short, there are, again, thousands of religions. The biggest difference with ye olden days is that they now all believe in the same God. Some God, who can't keep his followers straight. Anyway, the prophet Mohammed decided it was time for the same God, but slightly different, and founded the Islam. They've been in the news a lot lately. Like Christians, Islamic people aren't always very peaceful. Now what do all these religions have in common? They claim to have the truth, but they haven't. They're replaced with something else. They're responsible for many wars and death's. They're complete and utter nonsense. A lot of them can be found in popular pop culture like books, music, video games and movies. Now if I want a good laugh I'll be sure to read your article. Until that time comes I have a few thousands "truths" to catch up to. Yours is last on the list, right after Pastafarianism (who claim the F

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                  Hey! The old gods are alive and well. Wdnesday = Wotan's day = Odin's day. Thursday = Thor's day, in German it's Donnerstag, very similar to Donar and Donner still is the word for thunder. And there is also Friday, acually Freya's day. And you forgot Teutates for Asterix. :-)

                  The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                  This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                  "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth | Answers in Genesis[^] Worth a read

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                    So, here's a thing. If your expert can't even interpret his own Biblical references correctly (there is no claim to infallibility in the Timothy verse nor to God's authorship and this is even more obvious in the original Greek) why would anyone trust the pseudo-science, actually make that faux science, in the rest of the article? It is indeed worth a read as a perfect demonstration as to how fundamentalism pretends to be read literally out of the Bible when in fact it is a pre-determined doctrinal position read into the Bible. Nowhere is this more obvious than in any interpretation of Genesis which fails to take any account of the fact that it contains at least two (and arguably as many as four) different creation myths which the final redactor has done nothing to render consistent indicating that his intention is in no way a historical or scientific account of actual events. I recommend, nay insist upon, reading the excellent Escaping Fundamentalism by James Barr. In fact, I'll happily buy you a copy!

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                      Hey! The old gods are alive and well. Wdnesday = Wotan's day = Odin's day. Thursday = Thor's day, in German it's Donnerstag, very similar to Donar and Donner still is the word for thunder. And there is also Friday, acually Freya's day. And you forgot Teutates for Asterix. :-)

                      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                      This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                      "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                      Alive and kicking![^]

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                        So, here's a thing. If your expert can't even interpret his own Biblical references correctly (there is no claim to infallibility in the Timothy verse nor to God's authorship and this is even more obvious in the original Greek) why would anyone trust the pseudo-science, actually make that faux science, in the rest of the article? It is indeed worth a read as a perfect demonstration as to how fundamentalism pretends to be read literally out of the Bible when in fact it is a pre-determined doctrinal position read into the Bible. Nowhere is this more obvious than in any interpretation of Genesis which fails to take any account of the fact that it contains at least two (and arguably as many as four) different creation myths which the final redactor has done nothing to render consistent indicating that his intention is in no way a historical or scientific account of actual events. I recommend, nay insist upon, reading the excellent Escaping Fundamentalism by James Barr. In fact, I'll happily buy you a copy!

                        I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                        I am not trying to start an argument - but your statement about the Greek is factually incorrect. I can read Koine Greek, and the hapax legomena term "theopneustos" (lit. God-breathed) in the Timothy verse is, indeed, a claim to God's authorship. This is purely objective linguistic judgment. It is perfectly valid for you to state that you do not believe that claim to be original or truthful, but it is not valid for you to state that it does not make such a claim. In evaluating anything, we must strive to be as objective as possible without letting our feelings or preconceptions leading us astray.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          You seem to know a lot about this! Would you be so kind as to provide me with links to published, peer-reviewed scientific articles to support that complete and utter bullshit?

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                          2 or 3 idiots peer reviewing a piece of toilet paper does not make it fact Evolution changes "facts" every few weeks. Would you rather base your eternal security on something that changes every few weeks, or something that has held strong for over 2000 years? If you could put your money in a bank that changed names as fast as evolution theory, or one that has existed for 2000 years, which would you pick?

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                            2 or 3 idiots peer reviewing a piece of toilet paper does not make it fact Evolution changes "facts" every few weeks. Would you rather base your eternal security on something that changes every few weeks, or something that has held strong for over 2000 years? If you could put your money in a bank that changed names as fast as evolution theory, or one that has existed for 2000 years, which would you pick?

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                            Would you rather bet your life on a medicine that has been rigorously blind tested and proven to work on the disease you suffer from, or visit your witch doctor so he can shake a stick at you and chant? The latter is the older medical treatment that has existed for probably tens of thousands of years... Evolution doesn't change "facts" at all: it isn't a "fact", it's a theory which explains and predicted extremely well changes we can and have seen happening in a population. Being a theory it is of course open to replacement if a better theory comes along and explains and predicts things better. And as for "something that has held strong for over 2000 years?" I would suggest you check your "facts" there as well unless you are reading it in the original paleo-Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, or selected as "correct" by the papal Council of Carthage in 397AD (except for the Deuterocanonical books which were removed from the King James version in 1611 of course).

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                              People should study this[^], too.

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                              Yes, a game about Japanese pocket monsters - demons- that has so far claimed the lives of a few children and harmed the mind of many more. Is it any surprise that the game contains references to evolution?

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Would you rather bet your life on a medicine that has been rigorously blind tested and proven to work on the disease you suffer from, or visit your witch doctor so he can shake a stick at you and chant? The latter is the older medical treatment that has existed for probably tens of thousands of years... Evolution doesn't change "facts" at all: it isn't a "fact", it's a theory which explains and predicted extremely well changes we can and have seen happening in a population. Being a theory it is of course open to replacement if a better theory comes along and explains and predicts things better. And as for "something that has held strong for over 2000 years?" I would suggest you check your "facts" there as well unless you are reading it in the original paleo-Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, or selected as "correct" by the papal Council of Carthage in 397AD (except for the Deuterocanonical books which were removed from the King James version in 1611 of course).

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                                OriginalGriff wrote:

                                Evolution doesn't change "facts" at all: it isn't a "fact", it's a theory

                                Now you understand.

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                                  The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth | Answers in Genesis[^] Worth a read

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                                  Of course, that site is not biased at all. It's not like they have an agenda.

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                                    I am not trying to start an argument - but your statement about the Greek is factually incorrect. I can read Koine Greek, and the hapax legomena term "theopneustos" (lit. God-breathed) in the Timothy verse is, indeed, a claim to God's authorship. This is purely objective linguistic judgment. It is perfectly valid for you to state that you do not believe that claim to be original or truthful, but it is not valid for you to state that it does not make such a claim. In evaluating anything, we must strive to be as objective as possible without letting our feelings or preconceptions leading us astray.

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                                    It would be hard to find a modern Greek scholar who does not think the interpretation of theopneustos as indicating the divine authorship of the Scriptures is entirely wrong. It fails to take into account the more general thrust of Pauline theology and understanding of the work of the Holy Spirit. The word must be interpreted as sacramental, that is to say that the words of scripture become sanctified in the moment of being read and understood by the believer as both the text and the mind are filled with the Holy Spirit. This is much more in tune with the early Christian's understanding of Christ as the living, dynamic God and Paul's insistence on the constant imannence of God in the Spirit, and, incidentally, with the views of later Pauline theologians such as Augustine and Luther. For all of them the sacredness and authority of Scripture lies in the relationship between word and mind infused with the Holy Spirit in the present moment. This is echoed in Paul's words about foolishness becoming wisdom when seen from the believer's position rather than the unbeliever's and other examples of the transformational power of the Spirit creating the Kingdom of God from the most everyday of things in sacramental relationships. That theopneustos cannot reasonably be interpreted as declaring divine authorship is reinforced by the absence anywhere else in the Bible itself nor the early Church of any indication that there was a belief in the actual involvement of God in the actual selection of and writing of the words of Scripture or any suggestion from the writers of epistles, gospels, or revelation that they were in any way under the control of God when writing. In Paul's case in particular, the number of errors, false starts, and non sequiturs renders any such suggestion preposterous. Moreover the context of Paul's remark here must also be taken into account here as it is clearly a response to what would have been an important issue for the early Christians; having rejected the Law as a means of salvation or a legitimate expression of our relationship with God should we not also reject the writings in which it is enshrined? Paul's answer is entirely more understandable as a claim that God through the Spirit can make use of even the apparently obsolete Torah than that it's all God's actual words. To claim the latter is as good as saying that God is a liar or deceiver or that Jesus was not the Son of that God thereby completely undermining Christian belief. The concept of divine authorship of Scripture simply belong

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                                      Yes, a game about Japanese pocket monsters - demons- that has so far claimed the lives of a few children and harmed the mind of many more. Is it any surprise that the game contains references to evolution?

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                                      Look on the bright side: it teaches children to train their animals to fight other animals.

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                                        The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth | Answers in Genesis[^] Worth a read

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                                        You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of what constitutes a scientific theory. A scientific theory must be falsifiable, not false.

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                                          You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of what constitutes a scientific theory. A scientific theory must be falsifiable, not false.

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                                          2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Falsifiable theories are nothing to base your eternal security on. There are people screaming and flopping around in hell right now who fell for fables and theories instead of the truth of Christ. And they won't get out, ever. God is going to torture them in there FOREVER.

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