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    Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:

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      Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:

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      You have a GCSE in Chemistry! Wow! (I have two: one from my O level, and one from my A level: if you fail the A sufficiently, you get an O instead!)

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        You have a GCSE in Chemistry! Wow! (I have two: one from my O level, and one from my A level: if you fail the A sufficiently, you get an O instead!)

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        Tried A Level Chemistry, still have nightmares! :laugh:

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          Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:

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          R Giskard Reventlov
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          This is common practice and you right; the good agents know what to keep, the bad ones just guess. Note: no one cares that you have GCSEs - it's detail that is not relevant to the job. A degree is fine to note and any pro certificates that are current. Just my tuppence worth. This is getting on a bit but is still reasonable advice: Contracting for Dummies: The CV/Resume[^]

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            Tried A Level Chemistry, still have nightmares! :laugh:

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            Sounds like you were as good at it as me! :laugh:

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              Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:

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              Aless Alessio
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              This is bad. They cannot change your CV without your permission. Because what is written in there is subject to verification from receives it. And if something is found to be untrue, you won't be trusted ever again in that company. And, if you are applying for a public role, you may be charged by the court. How would you then be able to prove that the CV was modified by the recruiter?

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                This is bad. They cannot change your CV without your permission. Because what is written in there is subject to verification from receives it. And if something is found to be untrue, you won't be trusted ever again in that company. And, if you are applying for a public role, you may be charged by the court. How would you then be able to prove that the CV was modified by the recruiter?

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                They always change your CV - to remove your direct contact details if nothing else, so the client can't contact you directly and not pay them their "well deserved"1 markup. 1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a well

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                  This is common practice and you right; the good agents know what to keep, the bad ones just guess. Note: no one cares that you have GCSEs - it's detail that is not relevant to the job. A degree is fine to note and any pro certificates that are current. Just my tuppence worth. This is getting on a bit but is still reasonable advice: Contracting for Dummies: The CV/Resume[^]

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                  glennPattonWork3
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                  What got me was all the Texas Instruments courses I have done, gone! I showed them my actual CV far more interest 'oh you have used Altera tool chain!'... I have taken some advise from your article but if they edit before it gets sent what use is there!

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    They always change your CV - to remove your direct contact details if nothing else, so the client can't contact you directly and not pay them their "well deserved"1 markup. 1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a well

                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                    Aless Alessio
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                    One thing is changing or hiding personal details, attaching their logo or similar. Another is actually changing your employment history, education or background.

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                      Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:

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                      Don't you have any direct way to contact potential employers? I mostly upload my CV directly to employer website.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        They always change your CV - to remove your direct contact details if nothing else, so the client can't contact you directly and not pay them their "well deserved"1 markup. 1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a well

                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                        1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a deep well

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                          Don't you have any direct way to contact potential employers? I mostly upload my CV directly to employer website.

                          "You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[^]

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                          glennPattonWork3
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                          I have done that but recieved 'we do not accept unsolicted CV, go do something painful' or words to that effect...

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                            I have done that but recieved 'we do not accept unsolicted CV, go do something painful' or words to that effect...

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                            Unsolicited? I would assume that you would upload the CV for a particular job opening. If they have not updated jobs on their own website, you are stuck.

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                              1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a deep well

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                              I stand corrected! :-D

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                                Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:

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                                I'm not sure if there is a law against this, but there certainly should be. I've had my share of bad recruiters and I try to avoid them as much as possible. Half of them don't even read it, some dig up an old version despite you sent them the latest and though I never saw it, I'm pretty sure in some occasions they changed mine before sending as well. In addition you repeatedly receive mails for inappropriate job offers. Not once have I had the feeling they were an added value to the recruiting process. :~

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                                  I stand corrected! :-D

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                                  Actually I'm more for a public display of some kind. breaking on the wheel, a hanging, ... Darn, is there no justice in this world! :rolleyes:

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                                    I'm not sure if there is a law against this, but there certainly should be. I've had my share of bad recruiters and I try to avoid them as much as possible. Half of them don't even read it, some dig up an old version despite you sent them the latest and though I never saw it, I'm pretty sure in some occasions they changed mine before sending as well. In addition you repeatedly receive mails for inappropriate job offers. Not once have I had the feeling they were an added value to the recruiting process. :~

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                                    I mean, becasue of there hiding of information I have been submitted to one company I wont work for due to the fact they were rude to me during a phone interview and accused me of wasting there time after tearing my CV apart. They complain about getting my CV 4 times from different sources, due to the fact the agencies wont tell me who the client is!

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                                      I mean, becasue of there hiding of information I have been submitted to one company I wont work for due to the fact they were rude to me during a phone interview and accused me of wasting there time after tearing my CV apart. They complain about getting my CV 4 times from different sources, due to the fact the agencies wont tell me who the client is!

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                                      Had that once as well...

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                                        This is bad. They cannot change your CV without your permission. Because what is written in there is subject to verification from receives it. And if something is found to be untrue, you won't be trusted ever again in that company. And, if you are applying for a public role, you may be charged by the court. How would you then be able to prove that the CV was modified by the recruiter?

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                                        Aless Alessio wrote:

                                        They cannot change your CV without your permission.

                                        It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.

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                                          Aless Alessio wrote:

                                          They cannot change your CV without your permission.

                                          It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.

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                                          Aless Alessio
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                                          Not really. All the recruiters I met, they always asked me to "modify" my CV in order to underline certain competences rather then others. Or, moving "down" aspects of my background which would not really fit the role i was applying for. I would not say "ALL"

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