Agents & CV's...
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This is common practice and you right; the good agents know what to keep, the bad ones just guess. Note: no one cares that you have GCSEs - it's detail that is not relevant to the job. A degree is fine to note and any pro certificates that are current. Just my tuppence worth. This is getting on a bit but is still reasonable advice: Contracting for Dummies: The CV/Resume[^]
What got me was all the Texas Instruments courses I have done, gone! I showed them my actual CV far more interest 'oh you have used Altera tool chain!'... I have taken some advise from your article but if they edit before it gets sent what use is there!
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They always change your CV - to remove your direct contact details if nothing else, so the client can't contact you directly and not pay them their "well deserved"1 markup. 1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a well
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One thing is changing or hiding personal details, attaching their logo or similar. Another is actually changing your employment history, education or background.
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They always change your CV - to remove your direct contact details if nothing else, so the client can't contact you directly and not pay them their "well deserved"1 markup. 1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a well
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
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I have done that but recieved 'we do not accept unsolicted CV, go do something painful' or words to that effect...
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I have done that but recieved 'we do not accept unsolicted CV, go do something painful' or words to that effect...
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1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a deep well
I stand corrected! :-D
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Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
I'm not sure if there is a law against this, but there certainly should be. I've had my share of bad recruiters and I try to avoid them as much as possible. Half of them don't even read it, some dig up an old version despite you sent them the latest and though I never saw it, I'm pretty sure in some occasions they changed mine before sending as well. In addition you repeatedly receive mails for inappropriate job offers. Not once have I had the feeling they were an added value to the recruiting process. :~
V.
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I stand corrected! :-D
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I'm not sure if there is a law against this, but there certainly should be. I've had my share of bad recruiters and I try to avoid them as much as possible. Half of them don't even read it, some dig up an old version despite you sent them the latest and though I never saw it, I'm pretty sure in some occasions they changed mine before sending as well. In addition you repeatedly receive mails for inappropriate job offers. Not once have I had the feeling they were an added value to the recruiting process. :~
V.
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I mean, becasue of there hiding of information I have been submitted to one company I wont work for due to the fact they were rude to me during a phone interview and accused me of wasting there time after tearing my CV apart. They complain about getting my CV 4 times from different sources, due to the fact the agencies wont tell me who the client is!
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I mean, becasue of there hiding of information I have been submitted to one company I wont work for due to the fact they were rude to me during a phone interview and accused me of wasting there time after tearing my CV apart. They complain about getting my CV 4 times from different sources, due to the fact the agencies wont tell me who the client is!
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This is bad. They cannot change your CV without your permission. Because what is written in there is subject to verification from receives it. And if something is found to be untrue, you won't be trusted ever again in that company. And, if you are applying for a public role, you may be charged by the court. How would you then be able to prove that the CV was modified by the recruiter?
Aless Alessio wrote:
They cannot change your CV without your permission.
It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.
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Aless Alessio wrote:
They cannot change your CV without your permission.
It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.
Not really. All the recruiters I met, they always asked me to "modify" my CV in order to underline certain competences rather then others. Or, moving "down" aspects of my background which would not really fit the role i was applying for. I would not say "ALL"
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What got me was all the Texas Instruments courses I have done, gone! I showed them my actual CV far more interest 'oh you have used Altera tool chain!'... I have taken some advise from your article but if they edit before it gets sent what use is there!
Over the 15 or so years I've been using that pattern, I've found that they usually only remove the personal details and the first paragraph. The rest they usually leave alone. Good luck with your job search!
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Not really. All the recruiters I met, they always asked me to "modify" my CV in order to underline certain competences rather then others. Or, moving "down" aspects of my background which would not really fit the role i was applying for. I would not say "ALL"
And once you've made those amendments they hack it to backs before sending it on :)
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Actually I'm more for a public display of some kind. breaking on the wheel, a hanging, ... Darn, is there no justice in this world! :rolleyes:
V.
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Hanging's too good for them! (considering that, in my experience, most HR "agents" are female, the dunking stool seems about right. :))
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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And once you've made those amendments they hack it to backs before sending it on :)
I ll cut their heart and eat their flesh :-D X|
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Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
Ok, I can understand them removing your name and contact info... I mean, that's how they make their money... Prevent you and the company from contacting each other directly, so you're forced to use them as intermediaries. But if they're screwing up the important bits, it's time to find an agent with a functioning brain.
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Aless Alessio wrote:
They cannot change your CV without your permission.
It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.
I concur.
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You have a GCSE in Chemistry! Wow! (I have two: one from my O level, and one from my A level: if you fail the A sufficiently, you get an O instead!)
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Yes, my 'A' level Economics ended up being an 'O'. Probably explains why I'm always broke! Funny thing is I got 'A's in everything else (erm, OK... a couple of 'B's but who's counting?)
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