Agents & CV's...
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I mean, becasue of there hiding of information I have been submitted to one company I wont work for due to the fact they were rude to me during a phone interview and accused me of wasting there time after tearing my CV apart. They complain about getting my CV 4 times from different sources, due to the fact the agencies wont tell me who the client is!
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This is bad. They cannot change your CV without your permission. Because what is written in there is subject to verification from receives it. And if something is found to be untrue, you won't be trusted ever again in that company. And, if you are applying for a public role, you may be charged by the court. How would you then be able to prove that the CV was modified by the recruiter?
Aless Alessio wrote:
They cannot change your CV without your permission.
It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.
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Aless Alessio wrote:
They cannot change your CV without your permission.
It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.
Not really. All the recruiters I met, they always asked me to "modify" my CV in order to underline certain competences rather then others. Or, moving "down" aspects of my background which would not really fit the role i was applying for. I would not say "ALL"
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What got me was all the Texas Instruments courses I have done, gone! I showed them my actual CV far more interest 'oh you have used Altera tool chain!'... I have taken some advise from your article but if they edit before it gets sent what use is there!
Over the 15 or so years I've been using that pattern, I've found that they usually only remove the personal details and the first paragraph. The rest they usually leave alone. Good luck with your job search!
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Not really. All the recruiters I met, they always asked me to "modify" my CV in order to underline certain competences rather then others. Or, moving "down" aspects of my background which would not really fit the role i was applying for. I would not say "ALL"
And once you've made those amendments they hack it to backs before sending it on :)
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Actually I'm more for a public display of some kind. breaking on the wheel, a hanging, ... Darn, is there no justice in this world! :rolleyes:
V.
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Hanging's too good for them! (considering that, in my experience, most HR "agents" are female, the dunking stool seems about right. :))
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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And once you've made those amendments they hack it to backs before sending it on :)
I ll cut their heart and eat their flesh :-D X|
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Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
Ok, I can understand them removing your name and contact info... I mean, that's how they make their money... Prevent you and the company from contacting each other directly, so you're forced to use them as intermediaries. But if they're screwing up the important bits, it's time to find an agent with a functioning brain.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Aless Alessio wrote:
They cannot change your CV without your permission.
It will be in their T&Cs. Recruiters always amend your CV, it's basic industry practice. They like to present them in the same general format and they'll use their "expertise" to cut out things they don't think are relevant to the job in order to make it concise. Your post was as if they were adding things and making things up, which they weren't, they were cutting it down which is something they all do. If a recruiter does this badly or to your detriment, then they don't get the business. The ones that do it well do get the business. It's survival of the fittest.
I concur.
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You have a GCSE in Chemistry! Wow! (I have two: one from my O level, and one from my A level: if you fail the A sufficiently, you get an O instead!)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Yes, my 'A' level Economics ended up being an 'O'. Probably explains why I'm always broke! Funny thing is I got 'A's in everything else (erm, OK... a couple of 'B's but who's counting?)
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Ok, I can understand them removing your name and contact info... I mean, that's how they make their money... Prevent you and the company from contacting each other directly, so you're forced to use them as intermediaries. But if they're screwing up the important bits, it's time to find an agent with a functioning brain.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)"it's time to find an agent with a functioning brain.". Hmmm is that possible?:confused:
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"it's time to find an agent with a functioning brain.". Hmmm is that possible?:confused:
It's not impossible, just very very improbable.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
I got burned by that once. CV was reformatted into incomprehensibility. After that I always bring at least one copy of my CV with me to the interview just in case.
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Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
I've had agencies butcher my resume. Having been in consulting/contracting most of my career and as an independent the past 5 years, I learned some lessons:
- Work only with agencies that have a local presence. I want a person I can speak with face-to-face. It makes me far harder to ignore.
- Check references on the agency from friends and acquaintances. There are online review sites ... although I'm cautious about trusting opinions on what is an unregulated forum.
- Interview the agency so they can explain why you should let them should represent you. If they act like they are doing you a favor ... they're not.
- READ YOUR CONTRACT WITH THE AGENCY! It's scary how many people I know glance at their contract and sign it. Unless you understand all the legalese, it may be worth having the contract reviewed by a lawyer. If the contract doesn't define payment time frames (agency to you) request the update.
- Do not allow blind submissions, e.g., if I don't know who the client is, my resume will not be submitted. I sometimes work in state government, and a double submission can get you blackballed. At the very least it will disqualify you.
- Require review of all altered resumes. If the agency refuses, find a new agency.
- Bring your resume to the interview. If the one submitted is not what was approved, let the client know. It may not help then, but you know you can't trust the agency and neither can the client. I've had interviewers ask me for a resume and compare to the one submitted, so smart interviewers don't trust the agencies either.
- Don't be a jerk. This is business. Keep things friendly but impersonal; when you refuse, do it politely. Don't burn any bridges unnecessarily, even if the other guy is being a jerk.
My last point is critical. Remain professional, regardless of situation or outcome. A mentor told me, "He who gets mad first, loses." I don't fully agree with that, but I know that when I get mad, *I* lose. A huge caveat: I'm in the middle-Atlantic USA in a good job market. Refusing one agency won't hurt me, but folks in tighter markets may not have that ability. I have been in a position where I had to take what job I could get, and am thankful to be in a good position now. I'm ramping up to sign my 4th contract with my current agency. There is a strong trust relationship in both directions and I know from experience what to expect and that the owner's ethics are good ones -- he does his best for the c
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I got burned by that once. CV was reformatted into incomprehensibility. After that I always bring at least one copy of my CV with me to the interview just in case.
I always do, just in case!
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Hi All, I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made... :wtf:
"Mickey" (that was his real name) stapled the first page of my CV onto the rest of someone else's. I thought the interviewer was on drugs while he was referring to my CV during the interview ... The interview never got anywhere after that; even after seeing what the problem was ... Like it was "my" fault.
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"Mickey" (that was his real name) stapled the first page of my CV onto the rest of someone else's. I thought the interviewer was on drugs while he was referring to my CV during the interview ... The interview never got anywhere after that; even after seeing what the problem was ... Like it was "my" fault.
I had a similar thing apart from the agent had added some stuff to my CV, including a deep love for rock climbing & camping (I dont sleep in tents did it once for Glastonbury never again!) also 2 years in the RAF...
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I had a similar thing apart from the agent had added some stuff to my CV, including a deep love for rock climbing & camping (I dont sleep in tents did it once for Glastonbury never again!) also 2 years in the RAF...
Never use agencies. Ever!
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