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  • F Foothill

    Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

    if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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    Frankly, this sort of thing should be criminal. $300 for a single EpiPen is just ridiculous. I get that drug companies pay billions in research costs, and that they need to recoup that somehow. But the EpiPen has been around more than long enough to have paid itself off. They should be sold practically at cost now. The FDA and FTC need to start regulating these prices. Drug companies should be required to submit all of their budget documentation for R&D, and the cost of the drug should then be calculated based upon projected market size and a standard number of years (say 5 or 10) to recoup the costs. Past that, there should be a cap on profitability, say 10-15% above material and production/distribution costs. No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

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    • F Foothill

      Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

      if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      Over here a quick googling gives me $88 for a two pack. I'll never stop wondering why you want to keep your corrupt health care system. You'd better answer that in the soapbox though. :sigh:

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        Over here a quick googling gives me $88 for a two pack. I'll never stop wondering why you want to keep your corrupt health care system. You'd better answer that in the soapbox though. :sigh:

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        Foothill
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        I don't need the soapbox to answer that one. It's three things: greed, fear, and congress.

        if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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        • J Jeremy Falcon

          Someone has to pay for it.

          Jeremy Falcon

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          Jorgen Andersson
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          The yacht?

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          • F Foothill

            Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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            Ravi Bhavnani
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            USD 300 for 2 in Canada.  Your additional insurance plan may cover up to 80% of this cost. /ravi

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              USD 300 for 2 in Canada.  Your additional insurance plan may cover up to 80% of this cost. /ravi

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              Foothill
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              Forgive my ignorance but I figured EpiPens would be covered by Canada's universal healthcare.

              if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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              • J Jeremy Falcon

                Someone has to pay for it.

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                Pete OHanlon
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                That's what we pay taxes for.

                This space for rent

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                • F Foothill

                  Forgive my ignorance but I figured EpiPens would be covered by Canada's universal healthcare.

                  if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                  It may be.  My reply was based on the price I found at a Canadian distributor on the web. /ravi

                  My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                  • F Foothill

                    Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                    if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                    Lost User
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                    Apparently €160 for two. That's before you claim it back from your health insurance. That still seems a little steep, but I don't know how they make these things.

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                    • F Foothill

                      Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                      if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                      Nish Nishant
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                      What's sad is that epinephrine itself is not expensive at all. It's the patent on the epipen design that drives up the cost. No other vendor can legally duplicate it.

                      Regards, Nish


                      Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                      • F Foothill

                        Forogar wrote:

                        In the UK, effectively zero.

                        :omg:

                        if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        Also, they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam. Surely it would be effective for longer than that? :|

                        Regards, Nish


                        Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                        • K Kyle Moyer

                          Frankly, this sort of thing should be criminal. $300 for a single EpiPen is just ridiculous. I get that drug companies pay billions in research costs, and that they need to recoup that somehow. But the EpiPen has been around more than long enough to have paid itself off. They should be sold practically at cost now. The FDA and FTC need to start regulating these prices. Drug companies should be required to submit all of their budget documentation for R&D, and the cost of the drug should then be calculated based upon projected market size and a standard number of years (say 5 or 10) to recoup the costs. Past that, there should be a cap on profitability, say 10-15% above material and production/distribution costs. No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

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                          Mladen Jankovic
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                          Kyle Moyer wrote:

                          No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

                          So are you saying that only bad people should be allowed to get rich?

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                          • F Foothill

                            Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            Cost of getting someone to look down at you wearing a hockey mask and theatrically brandishing a chainsaw: $0 In fact, that sounds like so much fun that I'd probably pay you a buck or two to let me do it (+ air fare + hotel costs).

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                            • J Jorgen Andersson

                              The yacht?

                              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                              Jeremy Falcon
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                              I wonder if they make pill-shaped yachts. :~

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                That's what we pay taxes for.

                                This space for rent

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                                Jeremy Falcon
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                                What a concept.

                                Jeremy Falcon

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                                • M Mladen Jankovic

                                  Kyle Moyer wrote:

                                  No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

                                  So are you saying that only bad people should be allowed to get rich?

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                                  Kyle Moyer
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                                  Haha, I'm not saying they shouldn't get to live comfortably, but when you see how much the executives get paid... That's just crazy. There's an old saying I can't remember precisely, but it basically says that helping people should be its own reward (ie, feeling good about doing good.) Of course, everyone's gotta eat, but being able to eat Filet Mignon and Lobster for dinner every night just because you run a company that helps people with heart disease live longer lives is ridiculous.

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                                    What's sad is that epinephrine itself is not expensive at all. It's the patent on the epipen design that drives up the cost. No other vendor can legally duplicate it.

                                    Regards, Nish


                                    Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Which is the problem with most medications; since one as a patient has no alternative, one is forced to pay, even if those amounts are rediculous. It is a section that could do well without patents.

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                                    • F Foothill

                                      Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                                      if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                                      Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                      Effectively no cost in Australia. As Pete said, that's what we pay taxes for.

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                                      • P Pete OHanlon

                                        That's what we pay taxes for.

                                        This space for rent

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                                        Slacker007
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                                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                        That's what we pay taxes for.

                                        Exactly.

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                                        • F Foothill

                                          Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                                          if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                                          Slacker007
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                                          I also heard today on the news that it only costs approx. $1 US, to produce the chemical in the pen, which adds to the controversy.

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