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  • F Foothill

    Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

    if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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    Ravi Bhavnani
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    USD 300 for 2 in Canada.  Your additional insurance plan may cover up to 80% of this cost. /ravi

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      USD 300 for 2 in Canada.  Your additional insurance plan may cover up to 80% of this cost. /ravi

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      Foothill
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      Forgive my ignorance but I figured EpiPens would be covered by Canada's universal healthcare.

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        Someone has to pay for it.

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        Pete OHanlon
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        That's what we pay taxes for.

        This space for rent

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        • F Foothill

          Forgive my ignorance but I figured EpiPens would be covered by Canada's universal healthcare.

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          Ravi Bhavnani
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          It may be.  My reply was based on the price I found at a Canadian distributor on the web. /ravi

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          • F Foothill

            Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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            Lost User
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            Apparently €160 for two. That's before you claim it back from your health insurance. That still seems a little steep, but I don't know how they make these things.

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            • F Foothill

              Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

              if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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              Nish Nishant
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              What's sad is that epinephrine itself is not expensive at all. It's the patent on the epipen design that drives up the cost. No other vendor can legally duplicate it.

              Regards, Nish


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              • F Foothill

                Forogar wrote:

                In the UK, effectively zero.

                :omg:

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                Nish Nishant
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                Also, they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam. Surely it would be effective for longer than that? :|

                Regards, Nish


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                • K Kyle Moyer

                  Frankly, this sort of thing should be criminal. $300 for a single EpiPen is just ridiculous. I get that drug companies pay billions in research costs, and that they need to recoup that somehow. But the EpiPen has been around more than long enough to have paid itself off. They should be sold practically at cost now. The FDA and FTC need to start regulating these prices. Drug companies should be required to submit all of their budget documentation for R&D, and the cost of the drug should then be calculated based upon projected market size and a standard number of years (say 5 or 10) to recoup the costs. Past that, there should be a cap on profitability, say 10-15% above material and production/distribution costs. No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

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                  Kyle Moyer wrote:

                  No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

                  So are you saying that only bad people should be allowed to get rich?

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                  • F Foothill

                    Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                    if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                    Cost of getting someone to look down at you wearing a hockey mask and theatrically brandishing a chainsaw: $0 In fact, that sounds like so much fun that I'd probably pay you a buck or two to let me do it (+ air fare + hotel costs).

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                      The yacht?

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                      Jeremy Falcon
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                      I wonder if they make pill-shaped yachts. :~

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        That's what we pay taxes for.

                        This space for rent

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                        Jeremy Falcon
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                        What a concept.

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                        • M Mladen Jankovic

                          Kyle Moyer wrote:

                          No-one should be getting rich from helping people...

                          So are you saying that only bad people should be allowed to get rich?

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                          Kyle Moyer
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                          Haha, I'm not saying they shouldn't get to live comfortably, but when you see how much the executives get paid... That's just crazy. There's an old saying I can't remember precisely, but it basically says that helping people should be its own reward (ie, feeling good about doing good.) Of course, everyone's gotta eat, but being able to eat Filet Mignon and Lobster for dinner every night just because you run a company that helps people with heart disease live longer lives is ridiculous.

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                            What's sad is that epinephrine itself is not expensive at all. It's the patent on the epipen design that drives up the cost. No other vendor can legally duplicate it.

                            Regards, Nish


                            Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                            Which is the problem with most medications; since one as a patient has no alternative, one is forced to pay, even if those amounts are rediculous. It is a section that could do well without patents.

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                            • F Foothill

                              Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                              if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                              Rajesh R Subramanian
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                              Effectively no cost in Australia. As Pete said, that's what we pay taxes for.

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                That's what we pay taxes for.

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                                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                That's what we pay taxes for.

                                Exactly.

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                                • F Foothill

                                  Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.

                                  if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                                  Slacker007
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                                  I also heard today on the news that it only costs approx. $1 US, to produce the chemical in the pen, which adds to the controversy.

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                                  • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                    Effectively no cost in Australia. As Pete said, that's what we pay taxes for.

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                                    Depends what you call no-cost. Your post is misleading. The current over the counter price in Australia is about $120 per pen. As it is included in the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme[^] the cost to an Australian resident is $38.30 or $6.20 if you are entitled to a health care card PBS Epipen[^]. The PBS costs taxpayers $10 billion per year in total. Now that isn't all. To get a PBS entitlement a prescription is required which entails a visit to the doctor. This will cost nothing for a pensioner but about $70-$37 = $33 for the average person (Medicare rebate). This means the cost of the Epipen is $38.30 + $33 = $71.30 for the normal taxpayer. The pen lasts for a year as does a prescription so this will require an annual renewal even if the pen is unused.

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                                      Also, they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam. Surely it would be effective for longer than that? :|

                                      Regards, Nish


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                                      RTek23
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                                      Nish Nishant wrote:

                                      they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam.

                                      Are you willing to bet your life on that..... Just asking?:cool: Ken

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                                      • R Ravi Bhavnani

                                        It may be.  My reply was based on the price I found at a Canadian distributor on the web. /ravi

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                                        RTek23
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                                        Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                                        It may be.

                                        It would be if prescribed by a Dr., minus of course the fees the pharmacy charge for dispensing a boxed product. I have a few friends that have them for their kids for peanuts, seafood, bees, etc. Ken

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                                          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                                          It may be.

                                          It would be if prescribed by a Dr., minus of course the fees the pharmacy charge for dispensing a boxed product. I have a few friends that have them for their kids for peanuts, seafood, bees, etc. Ken

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                                          Ravi Bhavnani
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                                          Thanks! /ravi

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