Talking of chess...
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
I always hated chess. There's really nothing to it. It's a stupid game for people who enjoy memorising 30,000 moves from other games -- or "gambits", to use the snooty word -- which, to me, doesn't make it a game. It's the wine connoisseur of games; all mouth and trousers. Scrabble can be as bad, in the wrong company, but at least it can be fun -- which is kinda the point of games.
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
I learnt to play chess at a young age but never fell in love with it. I am a competent if somewhat dull player. However, I do agree that the longer I have been programming the more I see the world through very different eyes than those of my younger self. Perhaps a function of age, I'm not sure. I certainly feel smarter than I was then (I know some who would disagree :-))
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me.
Or dealing with managers. But then again, that might be more like poker. ;) Marc
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
A couple years ago my son (10 at the time) asked how chess was played. I had never played though I knew how. We setup the board and played. I won handily. He kept asking to play. Within a month I could barely beat him and rarely did. Within two months we had to quit playing because I could simply NEVER win. I've programmed for 12+ years and am an inactive member of Mensa. Never considered myself stupid (unless car engines were involved), but he sure made me feel that way. Tl;dr: Nope, programming hasn't helped my chess game. It did however allow me to afford a personal instructor for my son to nurture him and his ability.
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A couple years ago my son (10 at the time) asked how chess was played. I had never played though I knew how. We setup the board and played. I won handily. He kept asking to play. Within a month I could barely beat him and rarely did. Within two months we had to quit playing because I could simply NEVER win. I've programmed for 12+ years and am an inactive member of Mensa. Never considered myself stupid (unless car engines were involved), but he sure made me feel that way. Tl;dr: Nope, programming hasn't helped my chess game. It did however allow me to afford a personal instructor for my son to nurture him and his ability.
gardnerp wrote:
Within two months we had to quit playing because I could simply NEVER win.
So you never considered entering the competition for Dad of the Year?
gardnerp wrote:
an inactive member of Mensa
It's the ones who are active who worry me: "Ooh, I'm a genius because I spend my very waking hour doing silly little puzzles in my mother's basement!" Two weeks of practicing silly little puzzles, and you achieve Grand Poombah status in mensa.
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
After a few years of playing (including an incident where I beat a kid during our time at high school who went on to become a British Chess Champion. He resigned saying, "I know where you are going with this" which is extraordinary since I didn't know where I was going!) I ended up with a decent rating of 1800+ and took part in an international tournament in Cannes (in the beautiful South of France). I was a member of a two-man team and we both had conclusive results from our six matches each. He (a master level player) won all six... and I lost all six! I haven't played since! :sigh: Stupid, pointless game!
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
No, I was fairly good at chess as a teenager and even had an expert rating, but recently my granddaughter annihilated me. But it was only because she wouldn{t let me cheat, otherwise I could have won. I think playing chess is good practice for solving detailed problems. When my children were young, we went to thr library or the chess club on alternating Saturdays, so they all learned to play and so have their children. Whrn theey stop by to visit, the first thing they ask is where is the chess set, then they play each ither all day. very quiet and well behaved kiddos.
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I always hated chess. There's really nothing to it. It's a stupid game for people who enjoy memorising 30,000 moves from other games -- or "gambits", to use the snooty word -- which, to me, doesn't make it a game. It's the wine connoisseur of games; all mouth and trousers. Scrabble can be as bad, in the wrong company, but at least it can be fun -- which is kinda the point of games.
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To summarize, you don't understand anything about chess. But then admittedly, it's not for everyone. Maybe you'll love pokemon go. I heard it's not particularly strenuous on the brain.
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
This thread is getting tedious....perhaps we should call it a knight. Pawn intended.
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I always hated chess. There's really nothing to it. It's a stupid game for people who enjoy memorising 30,000 moves from other games -- or "gambits", to use the snooty word -- which, to me, doesn't make it a game. It's the wine connoisseur of games; all mouth and trousers. Scrabble can be as bad, in the wrong company, but at least it can be fun -- which is kinda the point of games.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
30,000? Think again... How many chess games are possible? - YouTube[^]
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
Nope. I can hardly remember my name and surname together. My thought moves around very fast and focuses, if may even call it that, on one thing at a time, but all quickly.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. - Liber AL vel Legis 1:40, Aleister Crowley
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This thread is getting tedious....perhaps we should call it a knight. Pawn intended.
Mate, your attack is uncalled for.
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
If you like playing I invite you to join freechess.org I play it with an android client by Ian Pinto, it is simple an simple app. Since I frequently loose control playing my daughter restricted me from playing till december, so I envy you right now. I am at about 1400 point in blitz mode and the thing I like most is when I loose against players at 1700 points. I have the feeling I will never beat them, they are so good. I think 1700 points is my limit I can win against. What you think is your limit?
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To summarize, you don't understand anything about chess. But then admittedly, it's not for everyone. Maybe you'll love pokemon go. I heard it's not particularly strenuous on the brain.
I was forced to join a chess club by my parents, because my being "the clever one" was a feather in their cap -- ego-stroking is pretty much the main function of chess. I can also ride a horse, but I've never seen one that moves two paces forward and one pace to the side, or a bishop that can only move at funny angles and kills people -- and no queen of any European country has ever, to my knowledge, been a more versatile warrior than her husband. It's petty childish rubbish that isn't even fun.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I was forced to join a chess club by my parents, because my being "the clever one" was a feather in their cap -- ego-stroking is pretty much the main function of chess. I can also ride a horse, but I've never seen one that moves two paces forward and one pace to the side, or a bishop that can only move at funny angles and kills people -- and no queen of any European country has ever, to my knowledge, been a more versatile warrior than her husband. It's petty childish rubbish that isn't even fun.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
I was forced to join a chess club by my parents, because my being "the clever one" was a feather in their cap -- ego-stroking is pretty much the main function of chess. your parents
Fixed that.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
It's petty childish rubbish that isn't even fun someone would force their children to do something solely to stroke their egos.
Fixed that one too.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
I can also ride a horse, but I've never seen one that moves two paces forward and one pace to the side, or a bishop that can only move at funny angles and kills people -- and no queen of any European country has ever, to my knowledge, been a more versatile warrior than her husband.
So, you never liked chess, but your parents forced you into it and you clearly couldn't comprehend one bit of anything involving the complexity or the beauty of the game, except for some basic rules around valid piece movements. You've since developed an aversion to it as a result. While I'm sorry this happened to you, arguing that chess is rubbish because your parents forced you into it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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I always hated chess. There's really nothing to it. It's a stupid game for people who enjoy memorising 30,000 moves from other games -- or "gambits", to use the snooty word -- which, to me, doesn't make it a game. It's the wine connoisseur of games; all mouth and trousers. Scrabble can be as bad, in the wrong company, but at least it can be fun -- which is kinda the point of games.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
"Profesasional" chess is. Matches between amateurs? They are simply the biggest unorthodoxy fairy you'll ever see, and they can be fun. Also Magic The Gathering games are. Pro battles are downright boring - same tactics mitigated only by the fate that decides the cards you'll pick up, but even that can be tamed to a high degree. Amateur matches? It's like lightweight boxe with respect to heavyweights: battles fought until the very end with gritted teeth and freely running blood.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Back when I was in my late teens, studying mech aero engineering, I wasn't that good at chess and never rated myself and so never played it. Then s few years ago, after 20 years of programming having switched to of in my 20s, I was challenged to a game... He was good, s mathematician, it was a very deep intense game, and what surprised me was my ability to think deeply into all the various moves, counter moves, and evolutions down many iterations, and hold them all in my head at the same time. Something I could never do as a teenager. I won, with a killed rook move. And I can only put this down to the years of brain exercise writing programs, where the same depth, complexity and interconnections of events i exists, gave me. I played it a few times after that with other people and anihilated them. Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Anyone else noticed writing programs having such an effect?
Not really: In games my mind works very differently from how I work. In games I tend to do quick, aggressive moves towards "victory or death"... that's why I usually get bored while playing with my missus, who is the kind whom can spend 15 minutes pondering if buying a Coke or a Sprite (or even between two bottles of the same kind of coke at the supermarket, searching the one with less defects on plastic/more filling inside). What I noticed is that everything not game-related has improved, from doing adjustment/maintenance to my home electrical system to installing anti-theft devices or mounting furniture. In games I'm less than patient, in facts I kind of dislike Baldur's Gate kind of games whil I enjoy pen and paper RPGs.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
I was forced to join a chess club by my parents, because my being "the clever one" was a feather in their cap -- ego-stroking is pretty much the main function of chess. your parents
Fixed that.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
It's petty childish rubbish that isn't even fun someone would force their children to do something solely to stroke their egos.
Fixed that one too.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
I can also ride a horse, but I've never seen one that moves two paces forward and one pace to the side, or a bishop that can only move at funny angles and kills people -- and no queen of any European country has ever, to my knowledge, been a more versatile warrior than her husband.
So, you never liked chess, but your parents forced you into it and you clearly couldn't comprehend one bit of anything involving the complexity or the beauty of the game, except for some basic rules around valid piece movements. You've since developed an aversion to it as a result. While I'm sorry this happened to you, arguing that chess is rubbish because your parents forced you into it doesn't make a lot of sense.
I can't argue with your fixes, but this:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
you clearly couldn't comprehend
Is a very foolish thing to say.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I can't argue with your fixes, but this:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
you clearly couldn't comprehend
Is a very foolish thing to say.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Calling chess stupid because your parents forced you into it - that's a foolish thing. Besides, you did make your comprehension of the game apparent by explaining what you understood about it - how bishop moves in angles, and how you know to ride horses, but they can't jump in L shape, etc.
