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Difficult for me to give up or down. Lots of hoops to jump through. I recently mentioned that I had to update to the very latest VSTudio Community 2015 SP3 to begin dev. Then I was required to update my Win10 to (the very newest of new win10 update -- Win10 Anniversary) Ugh! And then, it left me wondering if after all this work to dev the app if it was only going to run on Win10 Anniversary edition, because of a target platform choice in Studio that seems to give limited choices. Then, after all that there are quite a few differences as I mentioned and very little documentation out there and you get the feeling that you're all alone doing UWP work. Probably are. :sigh:
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Universal Windows Platform It's write once, run everywhere dream! See more here:Guide to Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps[^]
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There's a ways to go yet. There are some nice features, but there are some compromises that are hard for me, as a WPF lover, to get my head around.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I have the start of a blog post about writing UWA apps
Let me know when you've written it up. I'd be interested in reading. I just posted a short blog write up at: How Universal Will Win10 UWA/UWP Be If There Is No Windows Universe?[^] But, it's more of a look at the difficulties that I mentioned before. And, a thought about "what if Microsoft loses devs? "
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Universal Windows Platform It's write once, run everywhere dream! See more here:Guide to Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps[^]
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
raddevus wrote:
It's write once, run everywhere dream!
Everywhere? Only if you have Windows 10!!! (If you can go with browser based UI try .NET Core - it is a true COMPILE once run everywhere - including Linux)
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raddevus wrote:
And, a thought about "what if Microsoft loses devs? "
If? I'd say more that they are.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
If? I'd say more that they are.
I know. I've been a windows dev since 3.1 so it's a bit difficult for me. However, I try everything so if they do the wrong thing and lose then ce la vie. :D
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raddevus wrote:
It's write once, run everywhere dream!
Everywhere? Only if you have Windows 10!!! (If you can go with browser based UI try .NET Core - it is a true COMPILE once run everywhere - including Linux)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Everywhere? Only if you have Windows 10!!!
I know. Everywhere is becoming much smaller as the Windows UNIVERSE dwindles. :D
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I have the start of a blog post about writing UWA apps - the aim is I'm going to cover my journey of learning the ins and outs of it.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I have the start of a blog post about writing UWA apps
Link? (And don't say the CP blog - I looked there, CP needs to learn how to display a blog.) Marc
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I have the start of a blog post about writing UWA apps
Link? (And don't say the CP blog - I looked there, CP needs to learn how to display a blog.) Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Still writing it. There's a lot to cover, even in a bare bones UWA application. There's a lot of code in it that needs explaining.
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Still writing it. There's a lot to cover, even in a bare bones UWA application. There's a lot of code in it that needs explaining.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
even in a bare bones UWA application. There's a lot of code in it that needs explaining.
That's a good summary of the situation. :thumbsup:
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Everywhere? Only if you have Windows 10!!!
I know. Everywhere is becoming much smaller as the Windows UNIVERSE dwindles. :D
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
If you drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid, "everywhere" also includes the Xbox (which might not make much sense depending on the app), IoT (same applies), Windows Phone (which very few people have) and HoloLens (which nobody has). I might've been excited about this 5 years ago. Today this seems too little, too late.
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Has anyone actually attempted to create a UWA (Universal Windows App)? I am in the middle of developing one and there are lots of lessons learned. It's not WinForm Development (of course) and it's not WPF. It's almost WPF but it isn't. Lots of new things you have to learn for simple things like copying to clipboard so that it works on all devices. A couple of the most interesting things I've learned is that it is very difficult to find anything on the web specifically about UWP. There's the official Microsoft stuff and then not much else. Microsoft has large github with samples: Windows-universal-samples/Samples at master · Microsoft/Windows-universal-samples · GitHub[^] But, I've also only found two books that even specifically cover the topic from a C# viewpoint (not including HTML5). Universal Windows Apps with XAML and C# Unleashed Amazon.com: Books[^] And most of the stuff in those books I find comes at it from a XAML standpoint instead of a programming / automation C# standpoint. Anyone else trying to dev real UWA out there? Just curious. This would be a good CP poll.
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Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
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Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
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I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!Mike Hankey wrote:
Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
...to be replaced by what, exactly? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just wondering what Microsoft can turn to once it becomes clear it's not taking off. (Part of me says bring back Winforms) :-)
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If you drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid, "everywhere" also includes the Xbox (which might not make much sense depending on the app), IoT (same applies), Windows Phone (which very few people have) and HoloLens (which nobody has). I might've been excited about this 5 years ago. Today this seems too little, too late.
dandy72 wrote:
I might've been excited about this 5 years ago. Today this seems too little, too late.
That's a good summary of how 98% of the devs feel, I think. And. you're right about xbox and all that too. I was kind of happy to know that, because my app could even have interest on that platform.
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Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
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I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!Mike Hankey wrote:
Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
I know. I think you are right. If you go to twitter you'll see no one is talking about UWA UWP and you can't find many StackOverflow items. People (devs) just aren't really talking about it or doing Universal App dev. This was Microsoft's last flail, I think. Will be down for the count soon. Of course, they'll still rake in $billions$. :sigh:
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
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Has anyone actually attempted to create a UWA (Universal Windows App)? I am in the middle of developing one and there are lots of lessons learned. It's not WinForm Development (of course) and it's not WPF. It's almost WPF but it isn't. Lots of new things you have to learn for simple things like copying to clipboard so that it works on all devices. A couple of the most interesting things I've learned is that it is very difficult to find anything on the web specifically about UWP. There's the official Microsoft stuff and then not much else. Microsoft has large github with samples: Windows-universal-samples/Samples at master · Microsoft/Windows-universal-samples · GitHub[^] But, I've also only found two books that even specifically cover the topic from a C# viewpoint (not including HTML5). Universal Windows Apps with XAML and C# Unleashed Amazon.com: Books[^] And most of the stuff in those books I find comes at it from a XAML standpoint instead of a programming / automation C# standpoint. Anyone else trying to dev real UWA out there? Just curious. This would be a good CP poll.
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
I am a uwp dev. If you've done windows 8.1 apps or wpf it might be easier. Definitely if you've done windows 8.1 apps. I prefer desktop apps as the full dot net framework has more support. Performing rest http requests are very similar on uwp but you need to have that stream referenced correctly or you could have memory leaks? Maybe the Microsoft guys on their support forum are confusing me a little.
jeffery
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I am a uwp dev. If you've done windows 8.1 apps or wpf it might be easier. Definitely if you've done windows 8.1 apps. I prefer desktop apps as the full dot net framework has more support. Performing rest http requests are very similar on uwp but you need to have that stream referenced correctly or you could have memory leaks? Maybe the Microsoft guys on their support forum are confusing me a little.
jeffery
Good info and interesting to find someone out there actually doing UWP. You may be the lone pioneer out at the edge of the wilderness though. :D Thanks for chiming in.
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
...to be replaced by what, exactly? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just wondering what Microsoft can turn to once it becomes clear it's not taking off. (Part of me says bring back Winforms) :-)
Xamarin. They already have a full stack in VS. Deploys to Android and iOS (mostly). Why not make it so it can deploy universally.
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Universal Windows Platform It's write once, run everywhere dream! See more here:Guide to Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps[^]
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
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Good info and interesting to find someone out there actually doing UWP. You may be the lone pioneer out at the edge of the wilderness though. :D Thanks for chiming in.
My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com.
It's not too bad. They need it to support XML serialization though so projects can be ported instead of the change data contract type stuff. I was trying to port the eBay source code over to uwp but the XML serialization stuff drives me crazy. If you need help I will try and give it. File system and all that is pretty much the same as windows 8.1 with a few changes that's why a simple app or one with rest API code might be possible but its a little hard because serialization is messed up if you need XML.
jeffery
