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  • A Aless Alessio

    Well, a "pile of garbage" for the most used language is a bit inappropriate. I mean, a few can be wrong, but so many? i really don't think so ..

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    OriginalGriff
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    A whole lot of people listen to Justin Bieber and think he is wonderful. Are they correct as well? Popular != good

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    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      A whole lot of people listen to Justin Bieber and think he is wonderful. Are they correct as well? Popular != good

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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      Aless Alessio
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      Oh come on ... what the hell has Bieber to do with JavaScript now? .. come on, let's be constructive

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      • A Aless Alessio

        Oh come on ... what the hell has Bieber to do with JavaScript now? .. come on, let's be constructive

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        OriginalGriff
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        Both are garbage that is popular with a certain sector of the potential market. Just because something is popular with a subgroup, doesn't mean it is a good product.

        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • A Aless Alessio

          Well, a "pile of garbage" for the most used language is a bit inappropriate. I mean, a few can be wrong, but so many? i really don't think so ..

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          Sander Rossel
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          Aless Alessio wrote:

          Well, a "pile of garbage" for the most used language is a bit inappropriate.

          Nope[^]. It's only the most used because it's easy to learn and because it's your only choice for the web. The language has serious design flaws. Sure, it's easy to crank up a little script and run it in your browser. Unfortunately, it's even easier to introduce subtle and less subtle bugs and write code that's completely not maintainable. JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. But sure, if you think 1 + [1] equals 11 and 1 + ["h"] is NaN (or something like that), go ahead and give JavaScript some praise :)

          Aless Alessio wrote:

          I mean, a few can be wrong, but so many? i really don't think so ..

          I can give dozens of examples where that was (and is), indeed, the case. Here's one: religions throughout the ages.

          Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            Aless Alessio wrote:

            Well, a "pile of garbage" for the most used language is a bit inappropriate.

            Nope[^]. It's only the most used because it's easy to learn and because it's your only choice for the web. The language has serious design flaws. Sure, it's easy to crank up a little script and run it in your browser. Unfortunately, it's even easier to introduce subtle and less subtle bugs and write code that's completely not maintainable. JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. But sure, if you think 1 + [1] equals 11 and 1 + ["h"] is NaN (or something like that), go ahead and give JavaScript some praise :)

            Aless Alessio wrote:

            I mean, a few can be wrong, but so many? i really don't think so ..

            I can give dozens of examples where that was (and is), indeed, the case. Here's one: religions throughout the ages.

            Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            Marco Bertschi
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            Sander Rossel wrote:

            JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine.

            I like that quote. Captured for sig.

            JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. Sander Rossel

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              Aless Alessio wrote:

              Well, a "pile of garbage" for the most used language is a bit inappropriate.

              Nope[^]. It's only the most used because it's easy to learn and because it's your only choice for the web. The language has serious design flaws. Sure, it's easy to crank up a little script and run it in your browser. Unfortunately, it's even easier to introduce subtle and less subtle bugs and write code that's completely not maintainable. JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. But sure, if you think 1 + [1] equals 11 and 1 + ["h"] is NaN (or something like that), go ahead and give JavaScript some praise :)

              Aless Alessio wrote:

              I mean, a few can be wrong, but so many? i really don't think so ..

              I can give dozens of examples where that was (and is), indeed, the case. Here's one: religions throughout the ages.

              Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              Shuqian Ying
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              Well, that's a bit unfair. The examples you listed should demonstrate that JavaScript is not able clean garbage produced by some programmers, not JavaScript in itself is garbage :) OK, yes, in somesense, it is, as any untyped language is ...

              Find more in 1-NET: connects your resources anywhere[^]. Email searcher Email Aggregation Manager[^].

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                Aless Alessio wrote:

                Well, a "pile of garbage" for the most used language is a bit inappropriate.

                Nope[^]. It's only the most used because it's easy to learn and because it's your only choice for the web. The language has serious design flaws. Sure, it's easy to crank up a little script and run it in your browser. Unfortunately, it's even easier to introduce subtle and less subtle bugs and write code that's completely not maintainable. JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. But sure, if you think 1 + [1] equals 11 and 1 + ["h"] is NaN (or something like that), go ahead and give JavaScript some praise :)

                Aless Alessio wrote:

                I mean, a few can be wrong, but so many? i really don't think so ..

                I can give dozens of examples where that was (and is), indeed, the case. Here's one: religions throughout the ages.

                Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                Sander Rossel wrote:

                JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety.

                Only on the surface... If you are seriously dive in you got shivers...

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                • M Marco Bertschi

                  Sander Rossel wrote:

                  JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine.

                  I like that quote. Captured for sig.

                  JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. Sander Rossel

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                  Sander Rossel
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                  #13

                  Whoohoo! I've never been in a sig before (I think) :D

                  Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  • S Shuqian Ying

                    Well, that's a bit unfair. The examples you listed should demonstrate that JavaScript is not able clean garbage produced by some programmers, not JavaScript in itself is garbage :) OK, yes, in somesense, it is, as any untyped language is ...

                    Find more in 1-NET: connects your resources anywhere[^]. Email searcher Email Aggregation Manager[^].

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    #14

                    You can output garbage in any language, JavaScript just makes it that much more easy than other languages :)

                    Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                      JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety.

                      Only on the surface... If you are seriously dive in you got shivers...

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      One thing that gave me multiple wtf's is the arguments object. It's array-like, but not an array (actual bug) and it's shared on the page so passing it to a function does you no good (although I haven't checked if arguments[0] === arguments, but knowing JavaScript that's probaby NaN or some such :D).

                      Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • A Aless Alessio

                        Oh come on ... what the hell has Bieber to do with JavaScript now? .. come on, let's be constructive

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        Actually Griffs analogy is bloody good. There's a whole raft of people who think a McDonalds is good food when it most clearly isn't. Just because something has a large user base, qv Smoking, it does not follow that it is any good. Popularity is not the same as Quality. JavaScript is to quality code what McD's is to fine dining. Argument. Closed.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          A whole lot of people listen to Justin Bieber and think he is wonderful. Are they correct as well? Popular != good

                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                          W Balboos GHB
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                          Bieber? Take it to the Soapbox where it belongs.

                          Ravings en masse^

                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                          • W W Balboos GHB

                            Bieber? Take it to the Soapbox where it belongs.

                            Ravings en masse^

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            OriginalGriff
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                            W∴ Balboos wrote:

                            Bieber? Take it him to the Soapbox wood chipper where it he belongs.

                            FTFY!

                            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              Whoohoo! I've never been in a sig before (I think) :D

                              Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              Marco Bertschi
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                              You've been in one before. Well it is your own, but it is something.

                              JavaScript gives you a false sense of safety. It's like riding a bike with those little side wheels and then riding head first into a ravine. Sander Rossel

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                Bieber? Take it him to the Soapbox wood chipper where it he belongs.

                                FTFY!

                                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                W Balboos GHB
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                                There's not mulch I can say. You compost what you like in the lounge - but sticking to puns befits you.

                                Ravings en masse^

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                • W W Balboos GHB

                                  There's not mulch I can say. You compost what you like in the lounge - but sticking to puns befits you.

                                  Ravings en masse^

                                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  OriginalGriff
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                                  Compost - because a rind is a terrible thing to waste.

                                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Compost - because a rind is a terrible thing to waste.

                                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                    W Balboos GHB
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                                    Rot are you talking about?

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    • W W Balboos GHB

                                      Rot are you talking about?

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      OriginalGriff
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                                      I'm just trying to be a fungi!

                                      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                      • A Aless Alessio

                                        Why using Typescript, if there's already ECMA6 [^] available in almost all browsers? :confused::confused::confused:

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                                        Vark111
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                                        Aless Alessio wrote:

                                        Why using Typescript, if there's already ECMA6 available in almost all browsers?

                                        Bolded the important bit. Almost isn't good enough in many places. And this[^] table still has an awful lot of red in it.

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                                        • V Vark111

                                          Aless Alessio wrote:

                                          Why using Typescript, if there's already ECMA6 available in almost all browsers?

                                          Bolded the important bit. Almost isn't good enough in many places. And this[^] table still has an awful lot of red in it.

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                                          Aless Alessio
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                                          Finally a constructive answer. So far, desktop browsers are pretty much covered. Then i guess that android browser is the biggest missing piece

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