Argggg
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If you believe the rumors, the Russians are gonna be closer neighbors "real soon" ™.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013but, but, you can see Russia from Oregon. (to quote a famous person)
I'd rather be phishing!
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They actually have open carry there, which really surprises me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Be careful of OC in Oregon. Cities have the (unconstitutional) state code "legal" authorization to ban OC, such as Oregon City, Portland, Astoria, etc. A major majority of central and eastern counties & cities have no such "infringement". Though, unlike Oregon where you can CC on school grounds, in Idaho such is prohibited unless explicit authorization is given by the school board (an executive branch entity which has not the state constitutional authority to 'legislate' such).
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My wife wants to move to Oregon. I f*ckin hate moving, and I certainly don't want to move to Oregon.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Then move to Idaho!
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patbob wrote:
And yes, we do actually get 40 days and nights of continual rain every couple of years
Ain't exactly show car weather...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
show car weather
No it ain't. I used to work with a guy that was big into boats. You would think that Portland would be a great place to have a boat to go out on the sunny summer weekends. So, he bought a brand new ski boat in 2009 (I think, my memory is going). Well he couldn't take it out the first year. The second year was much better, he got to take his boat out 3 times during the summer. Not sure about the 3rd year. I moved out of Oregon about then. The year after I moved out of Oregon/Washington, was the year he sold his boat. A fire fighter I knew up there was a Harley rider. Him and his wife rode to Sturgis every year. Last I heard he was real tired of only being able to ride his bike 4 or 5 times during the year. YMMV.
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but, but, you can see Russia from Oregon. (to quote a famous person)
I'd rather be phishing!
I believe she said Alaska, not Oregon. And depending on your exact location (the Bering Strait), the time of year and how clear the weather is, you actually can see Russia from Alaska. After all, the Strait is only 51 miles (82 km) wide.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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What I find disturbing is that "localities" can override state law. this is especially confusing and troubling when carrying in your car. In Texas, your car is not considered a "public place", but is instead considered to be an extension of your home.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013If you move, you could always show proof that the law violates your rights, sue, go to the legislature and then win. We did that here, State to overturn local open-carry laws[^]
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
show car weather
No it ain't. I used to work with a guy that was big into boats. You would think that Portland would be a great place to have a boat to go out on the sunny summer weekends. So, he bought a brand new ski boat in 2009 (I think, my memory is going). Well he couldn't take it out the first year. The second year was much better, he got to take his boat out 3 times during the summer. Not sure about the 3rd year. I moved out of Oregon about then. The year after I moved out of Oregon/Washington, was the year he sold his boat. A fire fighter I knew up there was a Harley rider. Him and his wife rode to Sturgis every year. Last I heard he was real tired of only being able to ride his bike 4 or 5 times during the year. YMMV.
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I believe she said Alaska, not Oregon. And depending on your exact location (the Bering Strait), the time of year and how clear the weather is, you actually can see Russia from Alaska. After all, the Strait is only 51 miles (82 km) wide.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOzyou actually can see Russia from Alaska. After all, the Strait is only 51 miles (82 km) wide.
You see could the beach of Cape Dezhnev if you stood on top of a 530m high tower at Cape Prince of Wales (give or take a few meters, my math is a bit rusty). Earth curvature you know. I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Little and Big Diomede islands, but they're only 2.4 miles apart
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I believe she said Alaska, not Oregon. And depending on your exact location (the Bering Strait), the time of year and how clear the weather is, you actually can see Russia from Alaska. After all, the Strait is only 51 miles (82 km) wide.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
well, not really. You can only see about 5km at sea level because of the earth curvature (unless you are a flat-earther).
I'd rather be phishing!
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My wife wants to move to Oregon. I f*ckin hate moving, and I certainly don't want to move to Oregon.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
My wife wants to move to Oregon.
For Mary Jane? :-D
Regards, Nish
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOzyou actually can see Russia from Alaska. After all, the Strait is only 51 miles (82 km) wide.
You see could the beach of Cape Dezhnev if you stood on top of a 530m high tower at Cape Prince of Wales (give or take a few meters, my math is a bit rusty). Earth curvature you know. I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Little and Big Diomede islands, but they're only 2.4 miles apart
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
530m high tower
Wrong. The Earth has a radius of approximately 3965 miles. Using the Pythagorean theorem, that calculates to an average curvature of approximately 8 inches per mile. So over 51 miles you would have a curvature of 8 * 51 = 408 inches = 34 feet (or about 10.4 meters). So you'd only need to be on a sizable hill or cliff at the shore to see Cape Dezhnev, from which there are plenty to choose. See this picture[^] as an example. Nevertheless, it'd be difficult to see, without visual aids, even on a extremely clear day due to how the ocean mists muddy the air.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Little and Big Diomede islands, but they're only 2.4 miles apart
I wasn't, but Sarah Palin was when she said "...you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." People always misquote her by leaving off that last part. (Note: I don't think very highly of Mrs. Palin as a politician. McCain could have chosen better.) And some say those island are only 1.5 miles apart. Hey, but don't take my word for it. Also, read the Snopes article[^] about the phrase. Near the end of it a 1988 NY Times article is quoted indicating one can see Siberia from St. Lawrence Island, a distance of 37 miles and also from Cape Prince of Wales, an additional distance of only 14 miles.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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well, not really. You can only see about 5km at sea level because of the earth curvature (unless you are a flat-earther).
I'd rather be phishing!
You can if you're on a hill or cliff. See my response here[^]
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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They actually have open carry there, which really surprises me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Yet you can't pump your own gas. :~
TTFN - Kent
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Yet you can't pump your own gas. :~
TTFN - Kent
That's what she said...
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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patbob wrote:
And yes, we do actually get 40 days and nights of continual rain every couple of years
Ain't exactly show car weather...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Yet you can't pump your own gas. :~
TTFN - Kent
Well sure, you might get some on your hands and put a smudge on your weapon. :laugh:
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
530m high tower
Wrong. The Earth has a radius of approximately 3965 miles. Using the Pythagorean theorem, that calculates to an average curvature of approximately 8 inches per mile. So over 51 miles you would have a curvature of 8 * 51 = 408 inches = 34 feet (or about 10.4 meters). So you'd only need to be on a sizable hill or cliff at the shore to see Cape Dezhnev, from which there are plenty to choose. See this picture[^] as an example. Nevertheless, it'd be difficult to see, without visual aids, even on a extremely clear day due to how the ocean mists muddy the air.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Little and Big Diomede islands, but they're only 2.4 miles apart
I wasn't, but Sarah Palin was when she said "...you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." People always misquote her by leaving off that last part. (Note: I don't think very highly of Mrs. Palin as a politician. McCain could have chosen better.) And some say those island are only 1.5 miles apart. Hey, but don't take my word for it. Also, read the Snopes article[^] about the phrase. Near the end of it a 1988 NY Times article is quoted indicating one can see Siberia from St. Lawrence Island, a distance of 37 miles and also from Cape Prince of Wales, an additional distance of only 14 miles.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Your calculation is quite off. Try this[^] instead. As I don't know anything about the topography over there, I calculated the horizon distance (and I was three meters off). But if you assume the same size hills on both sides you'd need 430 feet high hills. Quite sizable I'd say, but certainly not impossible.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Your calculation is quite off. Try this[^] instead. As I don't know anything about the topography over there, I calculated the horizon distance (and I was three meters off). But if you assume the same size hills on both sides you'd need 430 feet high hills. Quite sizable I'd say, but certainly not impossible.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Funny, in one way your calculator agrees with me. It says at 51 miles, there'd be 32 ft of curvature. Which is pretty close to what I posted. The diagram doesn't make sense to me, how is it that h0 != h1? Does the earth curve more after distance d1? Of course not. Nor does the diagram make sense that at seven miles out (distance d1) the eye would meet the horizon at a height of 32 ft. It would be at 25.5 miles, not seven. However, I realize I forgot that I have to square the distance, which makes the total curve value much greater. So that means at a minimum that you'd have to be on a hill or cliff about 7.98*51*51/12/2=865 feet high. High, but impossible. But, I believe your link is more correct. The formula I'm using is an approximation and not very accurate for long distances. Still, the US Military says they can see Russia from Alaska. So I believe that.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Funny, in one way your calculator agrees with me. It says at 51 miles, there'd be 32 ft of curvature. Which is pretty close to what I posted. The diagram doesn't make sense to me, how is it that h0 != h1? Does the earth curve more after distance d1? Of course not. Nor does the diagram make sense that at seven miles out (distance d1) the eye would meet the horizon at a height of 32 ft. It would be at 25.5 miles, not seven. However, I realize I forgot that I have to square the distance, which makes the total curve value much greater. So that means at a minimum that you'd have to be on a hill or cliff about 7.98*51*51/12/2=865 feet high. High, but impossible. But, I believe your link is more correct. The formula I'm using is an approximation and not very accurate for long distances. Still, the US Military says they can see Russia from Alaska. So I believe that.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
H0 is the hill on one side and h1 is the hill on the other side. You have plenty of formulas on Horizon - Wikipedia[^] With the interesting one here[^]
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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H0 is the hill on one side and h1 is the hill on the other side. You have plenty of formulas on Horizon - Wikipedia[^] With the interesting one here[^]
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Well, yes, I realize now that the diagram is being general, but since we're talking curvature of the earth, then d1 should be diagrammed as d1 = d0/2 and h0 = h1. But that maybe is too specific to my tastes. In any case, my point is that Russia and Alaska are visible to each other, if only slightly and in specific locations and under specific conditions.
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