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  • L Lost User

    This Morning when I fired up Visual Studio 2017 RC, I was greeted with a pop-up window from Microsoft. MS requested me to take part in a survey regarding my experience with VS2017. I did the survey. The questions mainly centered around my opinion on whether the product was ready for final release. I was quite impressed, but then at the end they asked whether they may contact me in case they needed further details. Aww shucks Microsoft! :-\ I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS! I must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive. I do hope the final release will be available as a free community edition, like 2015.

    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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    Lost User
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    Why do you doubt that MS is not interested in your personal data?

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    must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive.

    I'm impressed also from VS2013 until current Version from this VS stuff. Kind regards (this one aproved by CP experts :) ) A tormented embarcadero user

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    • L Lost User

      This Morning when I fired up Visual Studio 2017 RC, I was greeted with a pop-up window from Microsoft. MS requested me to take part in a survey regarding my experience with VS2017. I did the survey. The questions mainly centered around my opinion on whether the product was ready for final release. I was quite impressed, but then at the end they asked whether they may contact me in case they needed further details. Aww shucks Microsoft! :-\ I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS! I must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive. I do hope the final release will be available as a free community edition, like 2015.

      Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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      Sander Rossel
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      Cornelius Henning wrote:

      I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS!

      They don't. They ask for your opinion just so they can ignore it even harder :D

      Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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      • L Lost User

        This Morning when I fired up Visual Studio 2017 RC, I was greeted with a pop-up window from Microsoft. MS requested me to take part in a survey regarding my experience with VS2017. I did the survey. The questions mainly centered around my opinion on whether the product was ready for final release. I was quite impressed, but then at the end they asked whether they may contact me in case they needed further details. Aww shucks Microsoft! :-\ I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS! I must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive. I do hope the final release will be available as a free community edition, like 2015.

        Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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        Richard Andrew x64
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        I've heard that the designer doesn't run out of memory quite as often in '17 as in previous versions. Do you know if this is true?

        The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

          I've heard that the designer doesn't run out of memory quite as often in '17 as in previous versions. Do you know if this is true?

          The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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          Lost User
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          Do you know if this is true?

          I have used it extensively over the past few weeks and it never ran out of memory - not once! With VS2012 it happened almost every day.

          Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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          • L Lost User

            This Morning when I fired up Visual Studio 2017 RC, I was greeted with a pop-up window from Microsoft. MS requested me to take part in a survey regarding my experience with VS2017. I did the survey. The questions mainly centered around my opinion on whether the product was ready for final release. I was quite impressed, but then at the end they asked whether they may contact me in case they needed further details. Aww shucks Microsoft! :-\ I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS! I must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive. I do hope the final release will be available as a free community edition, like 2015.

            Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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            Mark_Wallace
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            So you missed reading the reports where ms says it's unhappy because so many developers are bypassing their personal-information-gathering spyware saintly telemetry functions? Not much point in stopping them spying on you helping you with their saintly telemetry functions if you're just going to allow them direct access to you.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            • L Lost User

              Quote:

              Do you know if this is true?

              I have used it extensively over the past few weeks and it never ran out of memory - not once! With VS2012 it happened almost every day.

              Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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              Richard Andrew x64
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              Cornelius Henning wrote:

              With VS2012 it happened almost every day.

              Heck, we have some huge forms at work and VS '15 runs out of memory just about every 30 mins!

              The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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              • L Lost User

                This Morning when I fired up Visual Studio 2017 RC, I was greeted with a pop-up window from Microsoft. MS requested me to take part in a survey regarding my experience with VS2017. I did the survey. The questions mainly centered around my opinion on whether the product was ready for final release. I was quite impressed, but then at the end they asked whether they may contact me in case they needed further details. Aww shucks Microsoft! :-\ I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS! I must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive. I do hope the final release will be available as a free community edition, like 2015.

                Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                ed welch
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                I suppose this version does a better job of hiding the telemetrics code that it stealthly inserts into your exe.

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                • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                  Cornelius Henning wrote:

                  With VS2012 it happened almost every day.

                  Heck, we have some huge forms at work and VS '15 runs out of memory just about every 30 mins!

                  The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                  Lost User
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                  I would be interested to hear your impressions of VS2017. :)

                  Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                  • L Lost User

                    This Morning when I fired up Visual Studio 2017 RC, I was greeted with a pop-up window from Microsoft. MS requested me to take part in a survey regarding my experience with VS2017. I did the survey. The questions mainly centered around my opinion on whether the product was ready for final release. I was quite impressed, but then at the end they asked whether they may contact me in case they needed further details. Aww shucks Microsoft! :-\ I didn't think you would care about little ole me and my opinion of VS! I must say that my impressions of VS 2017 so far are positive. I do hope the final release will be available as a free community edition, like 2015.

                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                    Brady Kelly
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                    It is far from ready for final release, and they plan for that on 7 March. I was having a beautiful time writing a WPF app with a .NET Core web API as data source, but then I had to "quickly" do an MVC web app with a web api data source. 2017 is nowhere ready enough for debugging web apps. I have to start the app with dotnet run, then start the remote debugger (added an External Tool to do that), even if the site isn't remote, then attach to the dotnet process. I used to just press F5.

                    Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.

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                    • L Lost User

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                      Do you know if this is true?

                      I have used it extensively over the past few weeks and it never ran out of memory - not once! With VS2012 it happened almost every day.

                      Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                      megaadam
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                      I often run out of memory. It happens almost every day!

                      ... such stuff as dreams are made on

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                      • M Mark_Wallace

                        So you missed reading the reports where ms says it's unhappy because so many developers are bypassing their personal-information-gathering spyware saintly telemetry functions? Not much point in stopping them spying on you helping you with their saintly telemetry functions if you're just going to allow them direct access to you.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        Vark111
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                        Got any links for this? I'd like to read more. I know there was some brouhaha over them doing this for C++ code (which they supposedly removed in Update 3), but I hadn't heard any more after that.

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                        • V Vark111

                          Got any links for this? I'd like to read more. I know there was some brouhaha over them doing this for C++ code (which they supposedly removed in Update 3), but I hadn't heard any more after that.

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                          Mark_Wallace
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                          I'm pretty sure it was in an article in the Insider News (since that's just about the only place where I read tech news). It was going on about how developers and the tech elite were putting themselves more at risk because they knew how to get around winio's forced updates.

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            I'm pretty sure it was in an article in the Insider News (since that's just about the only place where I read tech news). It was going on about how developers and the tech elite were putting themselves more at risk because they knew how to get around winio's forced updates.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            Vark111
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                            Ah, ok - that's different than what I was thinking about. The issue I had in mind was something that happened in May/June of last year where the VS C++ compiler was injecting Microsoft telemetry calls into your compiled binaries.

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