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    Dominic Burford
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    Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

    "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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      Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

      "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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      Customer Ian Lucraft said:

      We were shocked when we came face to face with a new T-shirt with a racially explicit graphic and text

      Racially? Siri correction of "radically", one would hope.

      Dominic Burford wrote:

      He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere

      yup, but if that were finally taken seriously, they'd all have to come off the shelves.

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        Customer Ian Lucraft said:

        We were shocked when we came face to face with a new T-shirt with a racially explicit graphic and text

        Racially? Siri correction of "radically", one would hope.

        Dominic Burford wrote:

        He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere

        yup, but if that were finally taken seriously, they'd all have to come off the shelves.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        Mark_Wallace wrote:

        Racially?

        The sheer amount of stupid in the article is quite staggering. What surprises me is how quickly Primark backed down. One isolated complaint from some random shopper and they immediately backed down and apologised. The fact this idiot was offended is one thing. But to immediately back down is another thing. Nobody has the backbone to stand up to these fragile, easily offended snowflakes.

        "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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          Mark_Wallace wrote:

          Racially?

          The sheer amount of stupid in the article is quite staggering. What surprises me is how quickly Primark backed down. One isolated complaint from some random shopper and they immediately backed down and apologised. The fact this idiot was offended is one thing. But to immediately back down is another thing. Nobody has the backbone to stand up to these fragile, easily offended snowflakes.

          "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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          Nelek
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          On the one hand... stupid political correctness On the other hand... fear of stupid sues that makes them pay a huge amount of money to that offended snowflake because laws are encouraging those retards

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

            "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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            People bitch about Lady Antebellum's name Ten Little N-words was named something stupid (the novel, in case you didn't know) I can no longer say stop to describe the valve tap without getting censored FFS. Guess they figured it'd cost less to pull the "offensive" stuff quickly. ... and F-word appeared in my Google news feed, from Gizmodo's headline about something. Didn't want to click it at work. The swear police are police are surely up in arms by now

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              Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

              "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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              When I moved to the South that was the first time I ever heard that the rhyme had racial background. I don't know if it is true or not, but growing up on the west coast people said it all the time and never once heard that it had racial background. If it truly does have a racial background then I see no problem with them pulling it.

              There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                When I moved to the South that was the first time I ever heard that the rhyme had racial background. I don't know if it is true or not, but growing up on the west coast people said it all the time and never once heard that it had racial background. If it truly does have a racial background then I see no problem with them pulling it.

                There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                From my primary school days the second line was: Catch a tiger by the toe. But my grandad would tell you that it's Catch a n**ger by the toe. So they may have a point.

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                  From my primary school days the second line was: Catch a tiger by the toe. But my grandad would tell you that it's Catch a n**ger by the toe. So they may have a point.

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                  WiganLatics wrote:

                  Catch a n**ger by the toe. So they may have a point.

                  I heard that, but like I said, have never been able to verify it. Seems hard to believe that was the original rhyme and then somehow became a childhood thing all over the country. I wonder if the South adapted it as their own version. But I believe most people have no clue about it's supposed racial origin. Perhaps it would be better if everyone just moved on from it.

                  There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                    Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

                    "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                    I live in the heart of the South, Atlanta. I'm almost 51 and I was taught that rhyme with "catch a Tiger by the toe". I was an adult before I knew about the offensive version With all this climate change it's amazing how many snowflakes are out there.

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                      Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

                      "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                      I hate to say it, but the reference is offensive to Ginger people, after all, that's who ended up getting Lucille at the end of the rhyme. Obviously him and his wife haven't watched season 7 of TWD.

                      This space for rent

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                        WiganLatics wrote:

                        Catch a n**ger by the toe. So they may have a point.

                        I heard that, but like I said, have never been able to verify it. Seems hard to believe that was the original rhyme and then somehow became a childhood thing all over the country. I wonder if the South adapted it as their own version. But I believe most people have no clue about it's supposed racial origin. Perhaps it would be better if everyone just moved on from it.

                        There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        RyanDev wrote:

                        But I believe most people have no clue about it's supposed racial origin

                        I think you're probably right about that. I'm not certain as to where it originated from, but as I think the racist version is the original and it was softened as opinions changed. Many things that would previously have been acceptable for children are no longer considered acceptable. I'm not certain as to whether it started in the South or whether the South adopted it because of the language. But either way it seems to have racist undertones from the beginning. Although tbh when I saw the T-shirt, I didn't really notice the significance of the rhyme until I read the article. It was the bat and barbed wire that seemed more disturbing, regardless of potential racial connotations.

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                          I live in the heart of the South, Atlanta. I'm almost 51 and I was taught that rhyme with "catch a Tiger by the toe". I was an adult before I knew about the offensive version With all this climate change it's amazing how many snowflakes are out there.

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                          :laugh: :laugh: :doh:

                          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            I live in the heart of the South, Atlanta. I'm almost 51 and I was taught that rhyme with "catch a Tiger by the toe". I was an adult before I knew about the offensive version With all this climate change it's amazing how many snowflakes are out there.

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                            MarkTJohnson wrote:

                            "catch a Tiger by the toe".

                            I imagine that would piss off tigers, especially those zany, knuckleheaded literate ones, you'd have to pull it off the shelves in any case.

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                              I live in the heart of the South, Atlanta. I'm almost 51 and I was taught that rhyme with "catch a Tiger by the toe". I was an adult before I knew about the offensive version With all this climate change it's amazing how many snowflakes are out there.

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                              I'm 58 and was born and brought up in Liverpool in the UK, and I remember th N***er version from my childhood, so it was not exclusively an American rhyme. Whn picking someone to be on your team it was used interchangeably with "one potato, two potato"

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                                I'm 58 and was born and brought up in Liverpool in the UK, and I remember th N***er version from my childhood, so it was not exclusively an American rhyme. Whn picking someone to be on your team it was used interchangeably with "one potato, two potato"

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                                Chris Quinn wrote:

                                "one potato, two potato"

                                That's a heartless reference to the Irish potato famine, you racist! Where's the manager? I want to see the manager!

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                                  WiganLatics wrote:

                                  Catch a n**ger by the toe. So they may have a point.

                                  I heard that, but like I said, have never been able to verify it. Seems hard to believe that was the original rhyme and then somehow became a childhood thing all over the country. I wonder if the South adapted it as their own version. But I believe most people have no clue about it's supposed racial origin. Perhaps it would be better if everyone just moved on from it.

                                  There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - Wikipedia[^] The line was included in "the most common version among American schoolchildren in 1888". In the UK, it was the most common version between 1935 and the late twentieth century, thanks to Rudyard Kipling. But it does seem rather silly to call the first line of a children's rhyme which once had a version that used a racism term in a subsequent line "racist". :wtf: And the baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire is taken directly from the show. As far as I'm aware, it has absolutely no relation to "the practice of assaulting black people". :doh: However, to be safe, maybe we should stick to the Yan tan tethera[^]. :)


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                                    I hate to say it, but the reference is offensive to Ginger people, after all, that's who ended up getting Lucille at the end of the rhyme. Obviously him and his wife haven't watched season 7 of TWD.

                                    This space for rent

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                                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                    Ginger people

                                    Unless you're one of them, that's offensive! Let Tim explain[^]. :)


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                                      Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - Wikipedia[^] The line was included in "the most common version among American schoolchildren in 1888". In the UK, it was the most common version between 1935 and the late twentieth century, thanks to Rudyard Kipling. But it does seem rather silly to call the first line of a children's rhyme which once had a version that used a racism term in a subsequent line "racist". :wtf: And the baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire is taken directly from the show. As far as I'm aware, it has absolutely no relation to "the practice of assaulting black people". :doh: However, to be safe, maybe we should stick to the Yan tan tethera[^]. :)


                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                      Richard Deeming wrote:

                                      Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - Wikipedia[^]

                                      Quote:

                                      In April 2016, the popular American TV show The Walking Dead used the rhyme in the final episode of season six, in which the character Negan uses it to choose who to kill.

                                      :wtf: :wtf: So, that line was already in the show and now the tshirt is what is upsetting people almost a year later? Surely this must have been a story back in 2016 too. Fortunately, I don't remember it being a story.

                                      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                        Chris Quinn wrote:

                                        "one potato, two potato"

                                        That's a heartless reference to the Irish potato famine, you racist! Where's the manager? I want to see the manager!

                                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                        I'll have you know that I'm entitled to an Irish passport as my little old granny was from Waterford. As Jimmy Rabitte said in "The Commitments": >Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud.

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                                          Backlash after Primark pulls 'fantastically offensive' Walking Dead T-shirt - BBC Newsbeat[^] I despair sometimes. Do people like this look to be offended? He's more concerned with the image on the t-shirt than the fact it was made in a sweat shop somewhere.

                                          "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                                          The guy is a methodist minister. Religious fanatics are supposed to be offended by everything.

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