Bash/Ubuntu on Windows 10 - Now What
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This is an intriguing concept. But, other than practicing your bash shell commands without a VM or dual boot, what are some practical uses for it? Can you set up a Linux development environment, run a LAMP or LARP* stack on it? I'm curious to know what uses CP'ers have found. *Linux Apache Ruby PostgreSQL.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
Just don't ever edit a *nix config file using a windows editor. While most are smart enough not to screw up line endings, they don't understand how to handle the *nix permissions tucked away in the file system. With the result that the first time one does a safe write: 0) Write to filename.ext.temp 1) delete filename.ext 2) rename filename.ext.temp to filename.ext you end up losing all the *nix permissions on the file and then your *nix breaks. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Just don't ever edit a *nix config file using a windows editor. While most are smart enough not to screw up line endings, they don't understand how to handle the *nix permissions tucked away in the file system. With the result that the first time one does a safe write: 0) Write to filename.ext.temp 1) delete filename.ext 2) rename filename.ext.temp to filename.ext you end up losing all the *nix permissions on the file and then your *nix breaks. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Several articles I've read agree. They all give me the impression that using one OS's tools to modify the other's files tend not to end well. Speaking of said articles, I asked this question here because (a) I knew the answers would range from helpful to classic CP buffoonery, and (b) asking it on Google and Duck*2Go resulted in everyone and their sister's blog on how to install it and run a few bash commands, but precious little on what to actually do with it once you've got it.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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It is not a concept, it is for real. And yes you can do LAMP on it or whatever language you fancy, as long as it runs on Ubuntu. Personally I still goes to my VBox Ubuntu most of the time though.
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Oh, I know it's real. Curious, though, why go back to the VM? What can you do there that you can't do with U on Wen?
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
TNCaver wrote:
What can you do there that you can't do with U on Wen?
Microsoft didn't implement thunks for all the system calls, so there's some things that just won't run under it but will run under a VM running on top of WinX.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Several articles I've read agree. They all give me the impression that using one OS's tools to modify the other's files tend not to end well. Speaking of said articles, I asked this question here because (a) I knew the answers would range from helpful to classic CP buffoonery, and (b) asking it on Google and Duck*2Go resulted in everyone and their sister's blog on how to install it and run a few bash commands, but precious little on what to actually do with it once you've got it.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
Well, if they had implemented the USB syscalls, we could have used it to develop for android but since they didn't then adb can't talk to any android devices for debugging. Makes Bash/Ubuntu on Windows mostly a silly toy.
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This is an intriguing concept. But, other than practicing your bash shell commands without a VM or dual boot, what are some practical uses for it? Can you set up a Linux development environment, run a LAMP or LARP* stack on it? I'm curious to know what uses CP'ers have found. *Linux Apache Ruby PostgreSQL.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
Where does VM/dual boot come into play with bash? bash implementations for Windows are available as components of several different packages. (And: does a [lamp stack] require a specific OS?)
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Where does VM/dual boot come into play with bash? bash implementations for Windows are available as components of several different packages. (And: does a [lamp stack] require a specific OS?)
Member 7989122 wrote:
bash implementations for Windows are available as components of several different packages.
Pardon me for my sin of ommission. I should have said "VM/dual boot/Cygwin/any other bash-on-Windows implementation I've never heard of or looked for."
Member 7989122 wrote:
(And: does a [lamp stack] require a specific OS?)
Well, considering the 'L' in LAMP stands for Linux ... :)
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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It gives you a true 8-bit experience.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This is an intriguing concept. But, other than practicing your bash shell commands without a VM or dual boot, what are some practical uses for it? Can you set up a Linux development environment, run a LAMP or LARP* stack on it? I'm curious to know what uses CP'ers have found. *Linux Apache Ruby PostgreSQL.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
As per my experience, git clone works far better on BASH for **Win10** than on actually *Windows*. Also you must keep in mind that **Win10** has file path lenght limit, so actually cloning some repositories will keep them intact. Last but not least, this is more about looking into the future. For example, today, to run ``Docker for Windows``, you need a full Linux installation inside Hyper-V. In the future, in an inception like scenario, you might for go ``Hyper V`` completely, and run Docker using pure Windows Containers, some pure Windows and some others hybrid, using the ``USL``. Since the ``USL`` will be feature complete in 2 years time, you could run any container possible, even non **Ubuntu** ones. :-O
I am the one who knocks...
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This is an intriguing concept. But, other than practicing your bash shell commands without a VM or dual boot, what are some practical uses for it? Can you set up a Linux development environment, run a LAMP or LARP* stack on it? I'm curious to know what uses CP'ers have found. *Linux Apache Ruby PostgreSQL.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
Maybe get a decent install of Clang or gcc on Windows for once? Both mingw and cygwin have versions of gcc and its supporting libs that are not completely compatible with the *nix versions. Haven't tried yet, to be honest. I need Win 10 on a machine first.
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Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell. What's not to love?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
Yes. I guess MS have been jealous of the superior commands available in bash that don't exist in MS Dos.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Yes. I guess MS have been jealous of the superior commands available in bash that don't exist in MS Dos.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
Absolutely. Command chaining is a very powerful feature that cmd has sorely lacked. If for that alone, it's worth it. It also doesn't hurt to have a common command interface for each box in the server farm.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Leisure Suit Larry will rise again!
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
Hmm. You're actually turning my head in favour of it!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell. What's not to love?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
Nathan Minier wrote:
Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell.
You must not read Slashdot. When MS announced Bash for Windows 10, the resulting discussions were all about how this does nothing to sway any of them back to MS. Going at it the other way around, when MS announced PowerShell for Linux, the resulting discussions were all about how nobody in their right minds would pollute their pristine Linux systems with MS garbage. "Less user acceptance issues", my @$$. They just can't win. The attitude in the community makes me want to ignore Linux more than any technical issue or learning curve.
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Nathan Minier wrote:
Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell.
You must not read Slashdot. When MS announced Bash for Windows 10, the resulting discussions were all about how this does nothing to sway any of them back to MS. Going at it the other way around, when MS announced PowerShell for Linux, the resulting discussions were all about how nobody in their right minds would pollute their pristine Linux systems with MS garbage. "Less user acceptance issues", my @$$. They just can't win. The attitude in the community makes me want to ignore Linux more than any technical issue or learning curve.
dandy72 wrote:
You must not read Slashdot.
No, that sounds like horribly kinky fan-fiction featuring Dot from Animaniacs, though. I don't think anyone cares about Linux fanbois, not even Linux fanbois. I was actually talking about Windows user acceptance, as in an enterprise environment I've seen a lot of (IT) people that are so intimidated by PowerShell that they won't use it. They will, however, use bash, since they've had to learn how to when administering appliances. Maybe the issue here is that when I say "User", I'm meaning anything from baseline User to SysAdmin. To me it just means !Developer.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Just don't ever edit a *nix config file using a windows editor. While most are smart enough not to screw up line endings, they don't understand how to handle the *nix permissions tucked away in the file system. With the result that the first time one does a safe write: 0) Write to filename.ext.temp 1) delete filename.ext 2) rename filename.ext.temp to filename.ext you end up losing all the *nix permissions on the file and then your *nix breaks. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Although I have not tried it yet on win 10, I've used windows text editors on unix and linux for years, with no problems at all. You just need to use wordpad instead of notepad (it happily will use just the single byte newline, unlike notepad which uses CRLF), and save directly to the *nix machine to preserve the permissions, all one byte of them.
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Although I have not tried it yet on win 10, I've used windows text editors on unix and linux for years, with no problems at all. You just need to use wordpad instead of notepad (it happily will use just the single byte newline, unlike notepad which uses CRLF), and save directly to the *nix machine to preserve the permissions, all one byte of them.
I guess there're some virtues to wordpad being dumb as a stump and not meaningfully updated in 20 years. :rolleyes: Windows editors doing the safe save via temps and renaming dance and hosing linux on windows file permissions was widespread enough that the "never use a windows editor for them" recommendation came out of Redmond about a month after general availability. I never got why they didn't expose the *nix file permissions via a new win32 call and then control write access there via a manifest setting so that apps that didn't opt in by saying they can do it safely just get write denied errors. :sigh: :confused:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I guess there're some virtues to wordpad being dumb as a stump and not meaningfully updated in 20 years. :rolleyes: Windows editors doing the safe save via temps and renaming dance and hosing linux on windows file permissions was widespread enough that the "never use a windows editor for them" recommendation came out of Redmond about a month after general availability. I never got why they didn't expose the *nix file permissions via a new win32 call and then control write access there via a manifest setting so that apps that didn't opt in by saying they can do it safely just get write denied errors. :sigh: :confused:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
"[D]umb as a stump," may be apropos, but it was easier than trying to remember all the arcane keystrokes, then losing the file by quiting without having saved it. I have always maintained that vi was someone's revenge on the world.
