Olathe shooting
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I've no doubt that there are numerous racist lunatics like the one who committed this murder, but thankfully most of them are not retarded enough to go out and kill other human beings. This situation is true, regardless of where you turn. In India, the Kannadigas fight with the Tamils, the Tamils fight with the Mallus, and it goes on. On the other hand, and fortunately, there are more good people for every such racist in existence. People like the one who committed this murder though, they go by the "finders keepers" ideology - one which lets those deluded ones believe that "mmuricah/straya/insert whatever land these criminals invaded and committed a genocide in to grab/ is THEIR LAND, and everyone else should go out". "Finders keepers" would sound cute or understandable when it's proclaimed by a 7 year old, or a developmentally challenged adult. The rest are all grumpy old deluded hypocritical shits who are in serious disconnect with reality.
Ehm... actually it's how any nation has been founded. Either people settled and held it agaisnt other people from different places or they conquered and held it from other people.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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In fact the greatest leades of the world banned civillians from having weapons, as they are not fit to have them. Mussolini and Hitler knew what was right for us!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
Owning a gun would not make a huge difference to my lifestyle. Mind you, if my brother ever decided to give me his Winchester bicentennial...
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GenJerDan wrote:
"Andy Berthelsen, a neighbor of Purinton's in Olathe for the last 15 years, told the Associated Press that Purinton had become “a drunken mess” after his father's death about 18 months ago. He said he didn’t believe the shooting stemmed from hatred and that it probably resulted from Purinton's physical and mental deterioration."
:rolleyes: Even if that were true (which if you believe to be the case, I've a beautiful bridge in London for sale), it goes to show how easy is it for a retard to own and use a gun in the USA. I'd also bet this wasn't the only looney with a gun in the USA.
The guy was not a "retard"; that's the whole point. He was pissed off with his life, and pissed up. What the rhetoric did was paint a target for him. Yes, there are likely to be more instances, and yes, the behaviour of some members of the security services can be expected to move in a negative direction, but it's a country of 80Meg people, the vast majority of whom are decent folks, so don't go over the top with the condemnation.
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Owning a gun would not make a huge difference to my lifestyle. Mind you, if my brother ever decided to give me his Winchester bicentennial...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
In fact, it doesn't - well except if you're into sport shooting, in that case you'll find yourself a bit poorer and with less free weekends. That's the whole point: a sane honest citizen (I know USA have poor control of gun ownership requisites) has little change of lifestyle owning a gun but, if willing, he's capable of defending himself. I used defending, because no matter where the police is or whter they will catch a criminal afer the fact: when you're in your home with your family and several armed intruders your life is in danger there and then, you have seconds while the Police is minutes away. Even if there is a shotting or mugging on the street in order to preserve your life and health and that of those around you you have seconds. That's why I support the right to bear arms - right that in my country (Italy) is choked more and more while gangs have full access to arms - illegal, they are delinquent, they give a damn about any law and still get their own weapons.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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Ehm... actually it's how any nation has been founded. Either people settled and held it agaisnt other people from different places or they conquered and held it from other people.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
den2k88 wrote:
Ehm... actually it's how any nation has been founded. Either people settled and held it agaisnt other people from different places or they conquered and held it from other people.
I know, right. :rolleyes: But hang on, "founding" the nation and "holding it from other people (invaders)" has been over since a LONG time. This would be untrue only if you were living in Syria or some such place in the middle of a conflict. Sure, the Russians patrol the US waters now and then, but that's not the case here. This is a case of a cold-blooded murder where one resident of a country shot and killed another one for reasons that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with founding a nation or guarding it. If I were completely naive, I wouldn't have known they're basically setting up a case for "insanity" by proclaiming that this crook is depressed and other nonsense. If only he hadn't shouted "get out of my country" in a public place before shooting someone dead. :doh:
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In fact the greatest leades of the world banned civillians from having weapons, as they are not fit to have them. Mussolini and Hitler knew what was right for us!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
On a second thought, may be everyone should have a gun, given how it's percolated into the culture and society. May be then this criminal could have been shot into a cullender by the rest of the public in that bar. I'm going to agree that everyone should have it, or none.
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I know, right? The newspapers are just full of reports of those people shooting up the place because of Trump's rhetoric.
We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.
GenJerDan wrote:
I know, right? The newspapers are just full of reports of those people shooting up the place because of Trump's rhetoric.
Quickly turning this into a Trump shit-show, are we? :rolleyes: Nice move, except for I said nothing about Trump X| or US politics. We've enough political foetor and melodrama here down under; granted it's nowhere as bad as the US though.
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My congratulations for you sarcastic provocation - it slipped beyond the guard even of most of the reasonable members of CP.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
Well, these guys are apparently new, so they don't know that a) I'm probably the most heartlessly sarcastic person here, and b) I don't give a flyin' rat f*ck about their over-developed lady-boy sensitivities. The more experienced users have no f*ckin excuse. They know how I am.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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In fact, it doesn't - well except if you're into sport shooting, in that case you'll find yourself a bit poorer and with less free weekends. That's the whole point: a sane honest citizen (I know USA have poor control of gun ownership requisites) has little change of lifestyle owning a gun but, if willing, he's capable of defending himself. I used defending, because no matter where the police is or whter they will catch a criminal afer the fact: when you're in your home with your family and several armed intruders your life is in danger there and then, you have seconds while the Police is minutes away. Even if there is a shotting or mugging on the street in order to preserve your life and health and that of those around you you have seconds. That's why I support the right to bear arms - right that in my country (Italy) is choked more and more while gangs have full access to arms - illegal, they are delinquent, they give a damn about any law and still get their own weapons.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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The guy was not a "retard"; that's the whole point. He was pissed off with his life, and pissed up. What the rhetoric did was paint a target for him. Yes, there are likely to be more instances, and yes, the behaviour of some members of the security services can be expected to move in a negative direction, but it's a country of 80Meg people, the vast majority of whom are decent folks, so don't go over the top with the condemnation.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
The guy was not a "retard"; that's the whole point.
Yes, he was not. Which is why I was offering to sell a bridge to anyone who could be naïve enough to believe that he was.
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Been in that situation twice, escaped from it with all my family thanks to our weapons. Our neighbors were unarmed: we found them beaten to near death and bound to their chair, them and their elderly parents too (80 years old more or less). So no, I do not concede that point. BTW in both cases police arrived with a single car, 40 minutes after the call and with a single frightened policeman because the driver had to stay in the car.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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Been in that situation twice, escaped from it with all my family thanks to our weapons. Our neighbors were unarmed: we found them beaten to near death and bound to their chair, them and their elderly parents too (80 years old more or less). So no, I do not concede that point. BTW in both cases police arrived with a single car, 40 minutes after the call and with a single frightened policeman because the driver had to stay in the car.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
Thanks for that. You should contact all the people who have done studies that all show having a firearm in the home drastically increases the chances of being killed by it outside of any "intruder" scenario, as clearly all of those studies are wrong as your single anecdote takes precedence over any wider study involving tens of thousands of homes over years of time.
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Thanks for that. You should contact all the people who have done studies that all show having a firearm in the home drastically increases the chances of being killed by it outside of any "intruder" scenario, as clearly all of those studies are wrong as your single anecdote takes precedence over any wider study involving tens of thousands of homes over years of time.
There are "studies" for each and every thing that say anything and it's contrary, it verily depends ond the data skimming. Practical experience takes precedence anytime.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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In fact, it doesn't - well except if you're into sport shooting, in that case you'll find yourself a bit poorer and with less free weekends. That's the whole point: a sane honest citizen (I know USA have poor control of gun ownership requisites) has little change of lifestyle owning a gun but, if willing, he's capable of defending himself. I used defending, because no matter where the police is or whter they will catch a criminal afer the fact: when you're in your home with your family and several armed intruders your life is in danger there and then, you have seconds while the Police is minutes away. Even if there is a shotting or mugging on the street in order to preserve your life and health and that of those around you you have seconds. That's why I support the right to bear arms - right that in my country (Italy) is choked more and more while gangs have full access to arms - illegal, they are delinquent, they give a damn about any law and still get their own weapons.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
Careful, we don't start the whole "a defensive weapon is an offensive weapon" thing, again -- I hate to see grown men cry.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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There are "studies" for each and every thing that say anything and it's contrary, it verily depends ond the data skimming. Practical experience takes precedence anytime.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
Cool, so show me some studies that show having a firearm in the house does not put you at a greater general risk from that firearm's mere presence.
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On a second thought, may be everyone should have a gun, given how it's percolated into the culture and society. May be then this criminal could have been shot into a cullender by the rest of the public in that bar. I'm going to agree that everyone should have it, or none.
Nah, just give 'em all to JSOP; he's qualified to use 'em.
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Cool, so show me some studies that show having a firearm in the house does not put you at a greater general risk from that firearm's mere presence.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
having a firearm in the house does not put you at a greater general risk from that firearm's mere presence.
I own several firearms. None of them ever got up and shot anyone. I fail to see how the mere presence of a weapon may be a danger.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
having a firearm in the house does not put you at a greater general risk from that firearm's mere presence.
I own several firearms. None of them ever got up and shot anyone. I fail to see how the mere presence of a weapon may be a danger.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
I see you're dodging the question so I'll just leave it there :)
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Careful, we don't start the whole "a defensive weapon is an offensive weapon" thing, again -- I hate to see grown men cry.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
It is: a weapon is a weapon is a weapon. The defense, offense or sport are done by the people holding them - kitchen knives are the tools used most often to kill someone. Pickaxes (a man killed 4 people on the street with a pickaxe several years ago in Italy), shovels, wooden bars, scissors, hammers, screwdrivers, stones, vehicles... they are not even weapons but are easily the most used tools to injure and kill. A weapon equalizes an engineer with too few time and interest in buffing itself and a street thug double its size. It also equalizes a man and a group of men, eliminating the need of traveling in groups (highly advised in most part of the town). Take out weapon and you have only police, thugs and victims - and when police forces are the only one authorized to use force they become plain tyrants worst than the criminal themselves.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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