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Now, granted, I don't always write "up to snuff" code...

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  • D David ONeil

    Code it as a single bit for extra points!

    Sudden Sun Death Syndrome (SSDS) is a very real concern which we should be raising awareness of. 156 billion suns die every year before they're just 1 billion years old. While the military are doing their part, it simply isn't enough to make the amount of nukes needed to save those poor stars. - TWI2T3D (Reddit)

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    Jeremy Falcon
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    :thumbsup:

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    • R Ravi Bhavnani

      Marc Clifton wrote:

      10.  Let's use bool? as a 3 state variable instead of a readable enum.

      I think that's called "job security". /ravi

      My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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      Jeremy Falcon
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      :laugh:

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      • C ClockMeister

        Hi Steve!

        Steve Naidamast wrote:

        Yes, I have been hearing that since I began in this profession in 1974.

        We started at roughly the same time. I've been at this since 1976. A couple of "old fogey" developers!

        Steve Naidamast wrote:

        I have also seen the attempts to eliminate coders with code-free development environments. The first one which appeared in I believe the early 1990s was "Magic PC". That died a quick death.

        Believe it or not I remember "Magic". I participated in a programming contest way back in '94 where one or more of the developers were using that. I don't think they fared particularly well in the competition if memory serves.

        Steve Naidamast wrote:

        The industry has been trying to get rid of us for close to 50 years and it has never succeeded.

        Yes, indeed. And I feel threatened NOT! :-)

        Steve Naidamast wrote:

        You cannot create sentient AIs to think like Humans and not have the possibility that they won't feel the same way towards the corporations as we Humans do...

        Think "I, Robot".

        Bruce W. Roeser Simple Software By Design www.simplesoftwarebydesign.com

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        Steve Naidamast
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        Sonny would make a great friend... :)

        Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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        • M Marc Clifton

          ...but the garbage I've had to look into and fix, well, it's just amazing. 1. Lack of abstraction (makes testing a total PITA) 2. Lack of encapsulation (would be nice to be able to load up the configuration values without hitting a serer that I don't connect to in testing) 3. Absolutely convoluted code for getting something to run on a separate thread (even before Task.Run this was basically a 5 liner, not the 100+ lines of drivel I'm wading through.) 4. How many times do I need to xpath the config file to get the same value in the same loop??? 5. Let's instantiate variables and never use them! 6. Let's add debugging that inspects the .NET stack. And not disable it in a release build. 7. Let's load an XSLT transform from a file every time we need to transform something. 8. And maybe XSLT isn't the most efficient? 9. And let's put in comments about "not too pricey performance-wise" for stupid-arsed things and totally ignore the glaring inefficiencies elsewhere. 10. Let's use bool? as a 3 state variable instead of a readable enum. 11. And the list goes on. I am getting sorely disappointed in the code I've had to work with. I have yet to see something decently implemented in this job. It's pretty clear to me that if I were the Trump of the software engineering world, I would cull 90% of them and relegate them to captaining garbage scows. Marc

          V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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          Lost User
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          It's when you try and diagram this stuff that the true horror is revealed... Current (Il)logical.

          "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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          • M Marc Clifton

            > DialogResult is null when the dialog box is shown but neither accepted nor canceled. You just confirmed why I never forayed into WPF. WTF??? Marc

            V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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            Marco Bertschi
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            I usually solve the pitfall by using a viewmodel. Any kind of close event I care about is redirected to a command in the VM, which then fires an event (Either some kind of success event, which has it's specific event args, or whatever I need and care about). Both the window and caller subscribe to the event - The calling instance gets the data, and the window closes itself.

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              > DialogResult is null when the dialog box is shown but neither accepted nor canceled. You just confirmed why I never forayed into WPF. WTF??? Marc

              V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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              Marco Bertschi
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              But let's agree on the fact that a nullable boolean is a stupid idea. I mean it defeats the sole purpose of a bool, doesn't it?

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              • Z ZurdoDev

                Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                I don't want to know what you know.

                Too late. ;P

                Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                I want to know what Marc knows.

                Not enough time. :-D

                There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                Jorgen Andersson
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                RyanDev wrote:

                Not enough time.

                Well, that's certainly correct. He's ahead of me and accelerating.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                  I want to know what Marc knows.

                  [I know nothing! Nothing!](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/36/367bfdf04925024ffe4e22252b33e533a4b77ede146dbcfb985e332d0bcfd8c8.jpg) ;) Marc

                  V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  But you know that you know nothing, and that's something...

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                  • M Marco Bertschi

                    But let's agree on the fact that a nullable boolean is a stupid idea. I mean it defeats the sole purpose of a bool, doesn't it?

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote:

                    But let's agree on the fact that a nullable boolean is a stupid idea.

                    Well, given that a field in a DB record can be null (which in itself is a whole can of worms as to what null means in a field) it makes sense that the language supports nullable value types -- I thought it was a significant improvement in C# when that support was added. So, from that perspective, a nullable bool is just like any other nullable value type, and I don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is when the null state is used as a valid state. In my opinion, any nullable type that is null when you need to use it for something should result in an exception. By that definition, "nullable" to me (and when I design databases) means "it's OK if we don't know the value of this type right now, but when we use it for something, it darn well better not be null." The exception to that might be business rules that handle "I don't know." Marc

                    V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      ...but the garbage I've had to look into and fix, well, it's just amazing. 1. Lack of abstraction (makes testing a total PITA) 2. Lack of encapsulation (would be nice to be able to load up the configuration values without hitting a serer that I don't connect to in testing) 3. Absolutely convoluted code for getting something to run on a separate thread (even before Task.Run this was basically a 5 liner, not the 100+ lines of drivel I'm wading through.) 4. How many times do I need to xpath the config file to get the same value in the same loop??? 5. Let's instantiate variables and never use them! 6. Let's add debugging that inspects the .NET stack. And not disable it in a release build. 7. Let's load an XSLT transform from a file every time we need to transform something. 8. And maybe XSLT isn't the most efficient? 9. And let's put in comments about "not too pricey performance-wise" for stupid-arsed things and totally ignore the glaring inefficiencies elsewhere. 10. Let's use bool? as a 3 state variable instead of a readable enum. 11. And the list goes on. I am getting sorely disappointed in the code I've had to work with. I have yet to see something decently implemented in this job. It's pretty clear to me that if I were the Trump of the software engineering world, I would cull 90% of them and relegate them to captaining garbage scows. Marc

                      V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                      mbb01
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                      As I say to my boss: "If you don't want me to refactor, then don't make me look at the code". Always try to remember a few things. You're likely in that code because something isn't right anyway - either a fault or a change request. You're really good at what you do, and that's why you're the one being asked to fix the 'garbage' code. Keep faith in your own abilities, software development is all about confidence. The moment you doubt yourself, you're toast.

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