Visual Studio 2017 ... a diary of disappointment
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
:(( :rose: :beer:
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
Seriously? No "Add as link"? Unusable. I use them extensively as well, and I think it should be the default.
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
Ya know, I was wondering when opinions would start coming in from the early adopters. It's not quite the praise I was expecting, but thanks for the rant honesty! :thumbsup: It's also funny timing as I had prepared, then withdrawn a post regarding VS 2015 being such a resource hog and slow compared to VS 2010! I was also pissed to find that simply upgrading an asp.net project added a ton of references to HDInsight...did I forget to uncheck something???:confused: I hope I don't get charged for that! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
Hmm... didn't the sales pitch say VS and .NET was supposed to solve everything? Surely you're mistaken. MS marketing has said otherwise.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ya know, I was wondering when opinions would start coming in from the early adopters. It's not quite the praise I was expecting, but thanks for the rant honesty! :thumbsup: It's also funny timing as I had prepared, then withdrawn a post regarding VS 2015 being such a resource hog and slow compared to VS 2010! I was also pissed to find that simply upgrading an asp.net project added a ton of references to HDInsight...did I forget to uncheck something???:confused: I hope I don't get charged for that! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
:laugh: The "funny" thing was i did not download any RC, i wanted a full VS to use :doh: ... i simply did not expected ... that there are a LOT posts down the internet that are full of this opinions, for WPF they made good improvements but with asp it was just a step in the wrong direction ... but take it with a smile, this has to happen some time^^
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Hmm... didn't the sales pitch say VS and .NET was supposed to solve everything? Surely you're mistaken. MS marketing has said otherwise.
Jeremy Falcon
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
Jean-Pierre Bachmann wrote:
forgot! to implement "Add as Link"
That's interesting... I have 'Add As Link' in the 'Add Existing Item' dialog...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Jean-Pierre Bachmann wrote:
forgot! to implement "Add as Link"
That's interesting... I have 'Add As Link' in the 'Add Existing Item' dialog...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Its fantastic me too as i checked right now to include a Image :omg: but the Alt + Drag&Drop does still not work. And i am sure that it did not work yesterday ...
Jean-Pierre Bachmann wrote:
Alt + Drag&Drop
It should be Alt+Shift + Drag&Drop... Try it... I can't say if it is a change or you have your private configuration, but it's there...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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:laugh: The "funny" thing was i did not download any RC, i wanted a full VS to use :doh: ... i simply did not expected ... that there are a LOT posts down the internet that are full of this opinions, for WPF they made good improvements but with asp it was just a step in the wrong direction ... but take it with a smile, this has to happen some time^^
I seem to have more issues with the final version than I had with RC. Maybe you should go into reverse and try the RC version? ;P Nothing too serious with the final version, but for one it will spontaneously decide that I don't need both the design window and the XAML code window, when I look at XAML files. I suddenly only get the design window or the code window, but not both. In one or two instances I had to restart VS to even get the ability to show both windows at the same time.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Jean-Pierre Bachmann wrote:
Alt + Drag&Drop
It should be Alt+Shift + Drag&Drop... Try it... I can't say if it is a change or you have your private configuration, but it's there...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Jean-Pierre Bachmann wrote:
Alt + Drag&Drop
It should be Alt+Shift + Drag&Drop... Try it... I can't say if it is a change or you have your private configuration, but it's there...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Sorry... my bad... Ctrl+Shift + D&D...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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WTF? SourceProject cs file -> Alt + D&D -> TargetProject does not work TargetProject cs file -> Alt + D&D -> SourceProject does work I am seriously confused
Maybe the TargetProject is read only, because of some source-control?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Maybe the TargetProject is read only, because of some source-control?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Seriously? No "Add as link"? Unusable. I use them extensively as well, and I think it should be the default.
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
14 March - They removed Modeling Project and added Dependency Validation(which they think it would work same as UML). Very disappointing. The Insider News - UML to be ejected from Microsoft Visual Studio[^]
Wonde Tadesse
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | :) . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it. 9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover. 10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it. 13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool. Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is
Jean-Pierre Bachmann wrote:
For my opinion i will uninstall VS2017 tomorrow and wait for the SP 1. For now, VS is just another Release Candidate.
That's being generous. I'd say it's a solid beta. They had way too many clueless children working on it and their testing department seems to be missing.
