Electronic Spying - Only if you want it
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Your argument is based on ignorance (both of the UK and also how much of US TV is controlled by corporations and to what extent) so there isn't any point in addressing it.
The BBC definitely has it's own agenda that it pushes on everyone.. there's no way anyone can say it's an unbiased source of information. [Criticism of the BBC - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism\_of\_the\_BBC) Not only that but outside of the UK the BBC acts as a commercial company already.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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The BBC definitely has it's own agenda that it pushes on everyone.. there's no way anyone can say it's an unbiased source of information. [Criticism of the BBC - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism\_of\_the\_BBC) Not only that but outside of the UK the BBC acts as a commercial company already.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
Cool story bro. But Pepsi still don't dictate what we see on our TV.
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So a plasma TV I inherited burned out this weekend. It was our primary viewing station (i.e., idiot box) so I replaced it with an 49" LG 4k Smart TV. You turn it on and it goes through a setup. Aside from local date and time, I aborted the rest. In addition, I didn't give it any sort of connection to the internet. So - when those attempting to reach out to watch what I do in front of the TV - they'll have no connection. Should keep the listening-in down to more traditional levels. Kind of an easy solution. Just because you buy a 'smart' device is no need for you restore symmetry to the universe and allow yourself to become stupid.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Yeah, I kind of do the same. I've got home built DVRs (Beyond TV based) for our TVs. I don't watch TV at all, but the wifey is addicted. With our setup, she can be recording up to 6 channels at once. Keeps her happy while I'm up in my computer room either programming or playing games.
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Cool story bro. But Pepsi still don't dictate what we see on our TV.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Cool story bro.
Story? :confused:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
But Pepsi still don't dictate what we see on our TV.
If it was Pepsi, then it's agenda would be obvious. I think that whoever is pulling strings at the BBC has a much wider agenda. I'm personally more worried about that than anything Pepsi could come up with. You should be too.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Actually not - I have Roku on my sets. Both TV's are plugged into enegy saving power strips. The TV is main - when I shut it off a bunch of other things are shut off (including the Roku). Power it up and they get their power back. Roku's more channels than the TV, anyway - not just those who paid to have their sight put on my screen. Of course - if the roku can be persuaded to send a signal to my TV to enable the spy-stuff I'm doomed. NAS based: I have a media box on one set (Patriot thingee) and a USB port in the LG that plays my movies if I wish. Not via broadcast - but quite good enough.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
FYI: HDMI 1.2+ cables have a data channel in addition to A/V for Consumer Electronic Control features. If you're not using a 4k set you might be able to find an old HDMI 1.1 somewhere (which has audio support, but not data). Just saying, that'd protect you from a CIA Roku hijack, and hopefully will help feed the paranoia.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Cool story bro.
Story? :confused:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
But Pepsi still don't dictate what we see on our TV.
If it was Pepsi, then it's agenda would be obvious. I think that whoever is pulling strings at the BBC has a much wider agenda. I'm personally more worried about that than anything Pepsi could come up with. You should be too.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
Wow, you really have no idea, do you? First off America's media has just as much left-wing bias as the BBC (look at the recent election coverage for example), but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the makers of TV programs not covering certain topics in their shows for fear of corporations withdrawing advertising. If Pepsi don't like the message your sitcom is giving then your sitcom drops those messages. If Visa don't want Mythbusters testing the security of contactless payments then Mythbusters don't test the security of contactless payments (*). What you see on mainstream shows is controlled by big corporations and their individual political agendas, you just don't know it. * I know you're now going to google this and tell me that story isn't true as it was redacted by Adam Savage, but who is to say he didn't do that from the influence of their legal team and the proof of the pudding is that when they did finally look at contactless payments the security aspect of it was left out.
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Beware of that double-edged sword! Aside from our having PBS (no commercials, public donations support), the same problem with the likes of Pepsi and Dominoes deciding what to sponsor also means they'll cow-tow to the public's norms. Still no nipples and nudity (at least until late at night). Also, we've so many cable stations that whatever you want to see can be seen. vs. Your BBC is (de facto) completely government run - so you'll see what they want you to see and think what they want you to think. I doubt Brexit will clear that up very much. Two glass houses - lots of stones. What would Putin say?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
"Your BBC is (de facto) completely government run" Up to a point, Lord Copper. It's interesting that, despite the right wing Tory government apparently "running the BBC", Tories always accuse the BBC of left wing bias and anti-Tory sentiment. Conversely, the left see the BBC as having a bit of a right-wing spin and being pro-establishment. So it's probably about right in its even handedness. The BBC is run by a board of trustees and has a board of governors. I'm sure the government of the day, whatever hue, would like to control it's output and propaganda, though.
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FYI: HDMI 1.2+ cables have a data channel in addition to A/V for Consumer Electronic Control features. If you're not using a 4k set you might be able to find an old HDMI 1.1 somewhere (which has audio support, but not data). Just saying, that'd protect you from a CIA Roku hijack, and hopefully will help feed the paranoia.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
Actually, the CIA is never my worry. NSA has been aware of my existence for decades (I even visited their non-existent DC Headquarters). It's ROKU I'd be most worried about.
[edit] Actually - now I'm afraid. What if the CIA hacked the ROKU and made me only able to watch "Happy Days" ! [/edit]"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Actually, the CIA is never my worry. NSA has been aware of my existence for decades (I even visited their non-existent DC Headquarters). It's ROKU I'd be most worried about.
[edit] Actually - now I'm afraid. What if the CIA hacked the ROKU and made me only able to watch "Happy Days" ! [/edit]"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
No no, all wrong. The CIA needs things like SmartTVs. The NSA just knows. They just use quantum matrix resolvers that contain a record of all things that you have, are, and will say and do. They just need to open a record for it to coalesce into reality! The only way to prevent that sort of surveillance is to only do things that you won't do, which then become things you will do and therefore are included in the predictive matrix, which means that you can't prevent it.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Wow, you really have no idea, do you? First off America's media has just as much left-wing bias as the BBC (look at the recent election coverage for example), but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the makers of TV programs not covering certain topics in their shows for fear of corporations withdrawing advertising. If Pepsi don't like the message your sitcom is giving then your sitcom drops those messages. If Visa don't want Mythbusters testing the security of contactless payments then Mythbusters don't test the security of contactless payments (*). What you see on mainstream shows is controlled by big corporations and their individual political agendas, you just don't know it. * I know you're now going to google this and tell me that story isn't true as it was redacted by Adam Savage, but who is to say he didn't do that from the influence of their legal team and the proof of the pudding is that when they did finally look at contactless payments the security aspect of it was left out.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Wow, you really have no idea, do you?
I'm British, I do have an idea. I've lived and worked around the world so I'd suggest that you tone the arrogance down a notch or two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I'm talking about the makers of TV programs not covering certain topics in their shows for fear of corporations withdrawing advertising.
As opposed to media companies changing or suppressing news items that don't suit their agendas? That's happening every day here in the UK.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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And this information will be picked up by whom? Where? Like the compromise of voting ballots - what happens to the old data when the next person votes? Where is the receiver for this signal . . . the induction cooker I just got? I'd be more concerned with laser-Doppler being used to eavesdrop on conversations from window vibrations. Who's running all of these? But I'm not concerned. If I were specifically targeted - then game is over for me. If not - this is no telephone conversation already streaming - it's a latent image of questionable persistence and even more questionable value. The sun will die out some day - I'm not worried about that, either (yet).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
And this information will be picked up by whom? Where?
By anyone smart enough to create a receiver, for weak signals you have to be quite close, but TV is anything but a weak signal. Any electronic display can be recreated by this method. By whom? Anyone who wants to see what you do in front of your TV or what you watch.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Like the compromise of voting ballots - what happens to the old data when the next person votes?
The same can be applied to electronic voting booths, if you want to see what button people are pressing behind the curtain. The receiver is just a tv with the tuning controls replaced with manual oscillators. Only thing needed is a knowledge of electronics. and that data can be recorded for later use. Do some reading, it's quite interesting.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I'd be more concerned with laser-Doppler being used to eavesdrop on conversations from window vibrations.
The laser technique also doesn't require a closed window. If you aren't worried about being spied on, why did you disable the ability for your tv to connect to the internet? So you're worried about some forms of surveillance but not others? Van Eck phreaking is a whole lot easier than breaking into your tv.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Wow, you really have no idea, do you?
I'm British, I do have an idea. I've lived and worked around the world so I'd suggest that you tone the arrogance down a notch or two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I'm talking about the makers of TV programs not covering certain topics in their shows for fear of corporations withdrawing advertising.
As opposed to media companies changing or suppressing news items that don't suit their agendas? That's happening every day here in the UK.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
Sorry I didn't realise you're not even American but are arguing about how American TV is censored. Didn't realise the extent to which I was wasting my time.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
And this information will be picked up by whom? Where?
By anyone smart enough to create a receiver, for weak signals you have to be quite close, but TV is anything but a weak signal. Any electronic display can be recreated by this method. By whom? Anyone who wants to see what you do in front of your TV or what you watch.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Like the compromise of voting ballots - what happens to the old data when the next person votes?
The same can be applied to electronic voting booths, if you want to see what button people are pressing behind the curtain. The receiver is just a tv with the tuning controls replaced with manual oscillators. Only thing needed is a knowledge of electronics. and that data can be recorded for later use. Do some reading, it's quite interesting.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I'd be more concerned with laser-Doppler being used to eavesdrop on conversations from window vibrations.
The laser technique also doesn't require a closed window. If you aren't worried about being spied on, why did you disable the ability for your tv to connect to the internet? So you're worried about some forms of surveillance but not others? Van Eck phreaking is a whole lot easier than breaking into your tv.
Member 4724084 wrote:
By anyone smart enough to create a receiver, for weak signals you have to be quite close, but TV is anything but a weak signal. Any electronic display can be recreated by this method. By whom? Anyone who wants to see what you do in front of your TV or what you watch.
Vague and empty. I repeat my question - spelling it out: This "anything but a weak signal" - so they'll pick it up from a km away? 100m? A car parked out front, day and night? Generalities as you've put forth are not particularly useful. And what signal is 'anything but weak'? The shows that have been watched? It's been possible to determine what channel a view is watching almost forever - drive-by vehicles for ratings. Nothing to see there - the TV, itself, is always on the same station. You got into this with "by by remotely reconstructing an image from nothing but the EM radiation given off a TV set" - image of what? The TV set? Me walking buy? Scores of years ago there was a thing called a telephone pickup coil - it, too, worked by (ultimately) induction. Extrapolated, years later, for drive-by TV-station ratings talleys. You endlessly overlook the real point of it all: who's targeting me? What for? Mainly, disappointment it the Telly's on; the good stuff's when it's off. Rephrasing that: my data requests/returns are not being spewed on a network for a bank of super-computers to sip off of at their leisure. It's transient EMF - in a house and world full of the same - even if I watch broadcast and use the tuner, all they'd know is what I'm watching and when. For that - why bother with all the remaining electronics: time and station tell them all they need to know. Get a grip: if someone wants to observe you, you're doomed. Don't forget, of course, that there is always "simple bugging"! Cheaper, too.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Member 4724084 wrote:
By anyone smart enough to create a receiver, for weak signals you have to be quite close, but TV is anything but a weak signal. Any electronic display can be recreated by this method. By whom? Anyone who wants to see what you do in front of your TV or what you watch.
Vague and empty. I repeat my question - spelling it out: This "anything but a weak signal" - so they'll pick it up from a km away? 100m? A car parked out front, day and night? Generalities as you've put forth are not particularly useful. And what signal is 'anything but weak'? The shows that have been watched? It's been possible to determine what channel a view is watching almost forever - drive-by vehicles for ratings. Nothing to see there - the TV, itself, is always on the same station. You got into this with "by by remotely reconstructing an image from nothing but the EM radiation given off a TV set" - image of what? The TV set? Me walking buy? Scores of years ago there was a thing called a telephone pickup coil - it, too, worked by (ultimately) induction. Extrapolated, years later, for drive-by TV-station ratings talleys. You endlessly overlook the real point of it all: who's targeting me? What for? Mainly, disappointment it the Telly's on; the good stuff's when it's off. Rephrasing that: my data requests/returns are not being spewed on a network for a bank of super-computers to sip off of at their leisure. It's transient EMF - in a house and world full of the same - even if I watch broadcast and use the tuner, all they'd know is what I'm watching and when. For that - why bother with all the remaining electronics: time and station tell them all they need to know. Get a grip: if someone wants to observe you, you're doomed. Don't forget, of course, that there is always "simple bugging"! Cheaper, too.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Vague and empty.I repeat my question - spelling it out: This "anything but a weak signal" - so they'll pick it up from a km away? 100m? A car parked out front, day and night? Generalities as you've put forth are not particularly useful. And what signal is 'anything but weak'? The shows that have been watched? It's been possible to determine what channel a view is watching almost forever - drive-by vehicles for ratings. Nothing to see there - the TV, itself, is always on the same station.
Not vague nor empty. the EM field given of by your tv can be recontructed up to around 300m away with currently available equipment you can pick from any electronics store. If you want a greater distance then you need more specialised equipment. Keeping in mind that any metal within your EM bubble extends the signal. It's not a generalisation at all.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You got into this with "by by remotely reconstructing an image from nothing but the EM radiation given off a TV set" - image of what? The TV set? Me walking buy?
Of whatever you are currently watching and any interference of that signal such as you fapping away to whatever.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You endlessly overlook the real point of it all: who's targeting me? What for?
I didn't miss the point at all, and I already answered that point. Anyone who wants to monitor you for whatever reason you give them. You specifically said you disable your tv's internet capability so that people cannot spy on you. There is at least one method of spying on you through your tv that does not require it to be connected, as I originally stated.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Rephrasing that: my data requests/returns are not being spewed on a network for a bank of super-computers to sip off of at their leisure.
See point about them not being needed. You do realise that humans have an EM signature as well right?
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Get a grip: if someone wants to observe you, you're doomed. Don't forget, of course, that there is always "simple bugging"! Cheaper, too.
Bugging is more expensive than using off the shelf hardware.