Quick poll
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The former. Personally I wouldn't go near a computer unless I was paid. And in fact when I am not contracting I dont use them, except for ordering stuff.
You comment brings such great clarity to your earlier posts about the duties of an employee vs those of the employer.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Personally I wouldn't go near a computer unless I was paid
So now I understand your attitude! Many of us here are fortunate enough to be paid for what we love to do - and likely did for fun even before we were paid for it. There's only a limited amount of compromise one would tolerate when some management troll is attempting to debouch one of our loves. You, on the other hand, might as well be ironing shirts or collecting tickets on a train. Perhaps a store clerk. It doesn't matter much what you do if there's a check on the other side.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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You comment brings such great clarity to your earlier posts about the duties of an employee vs those of the employer.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Personally I wouldn't go near a computer unless I was paid
So now I understand your attitude! Many of us here are fortunate enough to be paid for what we love to do - and likely did for fun even before we were paid for it. There's only a limited amount of compromise one would tolerate when some management troll is attempting to debouch one of our loves. You, on the other hand, might as well be ironing shirts or collecting tickets on a train. Perhaps a store clerk. It doesn't matter much what you do if there's a check on the other side.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
when some management troll is attempting to debouch one of our loves.
That is the difference. My code is not me, I am not attached to it. The architecture serves a purpose and if that business model changes and the purpose changes, then throw the old code out and start anew. This is why I always bring in projects on time (well, once I was late, 2 weeks over), by doing what is necessary in the most expedient way possible. It is for this reason I am not partisan to Windows or Linux. I couldnt give a toss, I will work on what pays the most at the time.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it
With 205 articles, some of which have taken 100's of hours of coding, not to mention the time spent in writing the articles themselves, what do you think? Besides, anyone that contributes to open source is not getting paid. I also occasionally do some pro bono work, whether that's writing a small app for the World Wildlife Fund, or making tweaks to a website I put together (which I did get paid for, but at about 10% of my normal rate because I wanted to do something meaningful) for [bmbfa.org](http://www.bmbfa.org/), or just helping my kid's school out with their IT issues. Now granted, I obviously make enough money writing software such that I have the luxury of donating my time to myself and others for projects that I'm interested in. And that phrase "donating my time to myself" is something to be very conscious of, as I treat my personal interests as a separate entity so that I'm making a conscious decision about what I find important. Marc
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it
With 205 articles, some of which have taken 100's of hours of coding, not to mention the time spent in writing the articles themselves, what do you think? Besides, anyone that contributes to open source is not getting paid. I also occasionally do some pro bono work, whether that's writing a small app for the World Wildlife Fund, or making tweaks to a website I put together (which I did get paid for, but at about 10% of my normal rate because I wanted to do something meaningful) for [bmbfa.org](http://www.bmbfa.org/), or just helping my kid's school out with their IT issues. Now granted, I obviously make enough money writing software such that I have the luxury of donating my time to myself and others for projects that I'm interested in. And that phrase "donating my time to myself" is something to be very conscious of, as I treat my personal interests as a separate entity so that I'm making a conscious decision about what I find important. Marc
Latest Article - Merkle Trees Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
just helping my kid's school out with their IT issues.
"just" :) This has been pretty much eating 30% of my free time in the five last years.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
I have made a script or two for my church where everything is volunteer. Aside from that - nope.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
Like others have said, I enjoy coding so yes, I would (and do) code for free (my own projects). Since I've been programming since I was 8 years old, it's hard to think of a time when I wouldn't do it. That being said, I do other stuff too - hiking, surfing, ice hockey, snowboarding, cycling and anything else available at the time - it's nice to have a break away from the screen too.. :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
Not for others, no. But certainly for myself. If you're not also doing it as a hobby, get out of the industry, we don't want you.
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Not for others, no. But certainly for myself. If you're not also doing it as a hobby, get out of the industry, we don't want you.
What an arrogant prick you are.
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What an arrogant prick you are.
Yep, that's me.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
I would engineer software for myself for free, obviously. I would not work for others unless I got paid...unlesssssss, it was pro bono job for a good cause.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
I've done it for several year. I do it for the love of programming and because I can't find the same level of frustration doing anything else.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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I would engineer software for myself for free, obviously. I would not work for others unless I got paid...unlesssssss, it was pro bono job for a good cause.
Slacker007 wrote:
I would engineer software for myself
But why? What would you need software for?
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Yep, that's me.
What makes your statement so pompous is that I work in what is probably the most complex software engineering environment, the Windows Kernel, and have done for 20 years. Given the products I have worked on there is a very high chance you have used my drivers.
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
I do it on the side already for my own personal enjoyment already so in a way I guess I would continue. However if my work was for another person to profit then I would expect a piece of that return.
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I've done it for several year. I do it for the love of programming and because I can't find the same level of frustration doing anything else.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I can't find the same level of frustration doing anything else.
So, I guess you never took up golf... :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
After watching my son play golf for many years I decided I couldn't afford it.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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I saw someone say a few months back they would program computer whether they got paid or not. This got me thinking, how many IT professionals actually would, so quick poll: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it, and my opener is, no freaking way! :)
I've created a few simple websites for friends but that's it - gives me a chance to play with anything new.
