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It's not so much the topic that makes something merit the Soapbox; it's how it's talked about. If it's in the lounge, it's for having a laugh -- and I, for one, would rather have a laugh than play armchair politician in the Soapbox.
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True. Do you think a topic such as this will stay comedic? I don't. It has great potential to fall of the path to laughter.
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I've seen no indication about anything about the attacker other that he appeared to be of Asian origin. You must have closer links to the security services than the rest of us; or you are just blindly speculating.
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The recent pictures of the attacker don't look asian to me. In fact, the suspect is named Abu Izzadeen from Clapton in Hackney. Not asian origin.
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I've seen no indication about anything about the attacker other that he appeared to be of Asian origin. You must have closer links to the security services than the rest of us; or you are just blindly speculating.
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From what I've seen, he was a guy of undefined origin armed with a car and a stick (which may or may not have been a knife), and the only people shooting were the rozzers. It'll probably turn out that he's a plumber from Clacton who was pissed off at being treated like sh1t by the Child Support Agency, or somesuch. A bit of a joke, really. More people a year get killed by London buses than get killed in incidents like this -- but millions more of taxpayers' money won't be channeled into total surveillance and snooping because of London buses. What's really upsetting is that I'm slightly less likely to win the lottery than to be killed in such an incident. However, if I ever bought a lottery ticket, the odds would change dramatically. [edit] I can't believe that I typoed "Clapton", after my All-Seeing Eye told me that that was where he was from! [/edit]
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True. Do you think a topic such as this will stay comedic? I don't. It has great potential to fall of the path to laughter.
Depends. With nutters like me involved, you never know where a thread will lead.
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The recent pictures of the attacker don't look asian to me. In fact, the suspect is named Abu Izzadeen from Clapton in Hackney. Not asian origin.
At the time I posted, we didn't have reliable pictures (most had his face blanked out) and we certainly didn't have his name. The point was, of course, that conclusions were rapidly jumped to and were being aired long before any useful intelligence was being displayed.
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At the time I posted, we didn't have reliable pictures (most had his face blanked out) and we certainly didn't have his name. The point was, of course, that conclusions were rapidly jumped to and were being aired long before any useful intelligence was being displayed.
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14 minute difference produced many pictures on Twitter, and other social media apps. Ok.
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14 minute difference produced many pictures on Twitter, and other social media apps. Ok.
Formerly known as Trevor Brooks.
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Formerly known as Trevor Brooks.
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Did you read the bio on Wikipedia. Wow!!!
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Formerly known as Trevor Brooks.
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Jamaican, not Asian. Converted to Islam. Wants to hurt British people. Why do you defend them?
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Jamaican, not Asian. Converted to Islam. Wants to hurt British people. Why do you defend them?
Slacker007 wrote:
Why do you defend them?
Me personally or us as a nation? And who is "them"?
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Slacker007 wrote:
Why do you defend them?
Me personally or us as a nation? And who is "them"?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And who is "them"?
Radical Muslims that want to hurt non-muslims. I am of the mindset that you are a strong liberal/socialist ( I could be wrong) and that is fine. When the story broke out here in the States and when I went online it was clear that the suspect was a radical Muslim based on the information presented to me. I hate radical Muslims who want to hurt/kill non-muslims and non-radical muslims. If that makes me the bad guy, then I am glad to be that bad guy. I voted for Trump because he wants to keep radical Muslims who want to hurt/kill non-radical muslims out of my country. Maybe England, Scotland, Ireland, etc. should do the same. Just a thought.
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Did you read the bio on Wikipedia. Wow!!!
Yup, and the best that this major member of an uber-major ter'r'rist organisation could do was use a car and a pointed stick (which may or may not have been a knife from his mum's kitchen). The amount of bullsh1t we're being fed about ter'r'rism is so incredibly huge that it almost matches the amount of taxpayers' money that's being stolen by governments to "make war" on it by spying on us.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And who is "them"?
Radical Muslims that want to hurt non-muslims. I am of the mindset that you are a strong liberal/socialist ( I could be wrong) and that is fine. When the story broke out here in the States and when I went online it was clear that the suspect was a radical Muslim based on the information presented to me. I hate radical Muslims who want to hurt/kill non-muslims and non-radical muslims. If that makes me the bad guy, then I am glad to be that bad guy. I voted for Trump because he wants to keep radical Muslims who want to hurt/kill non-radical muslims out of my country. Maybe England, Scotland, Ireland, etc. should do the same. Just a thought.
Yup. "Radical muslims" has become a buzzword, now. Such buzzwords are needed, because the budgets to "make war" on ter'r'rism (by spying on decent people and treating them like sh1t) can only be signed off on if "the people" are up in arms about it. It's all bollocks, Mate. You're being led by the nose to the slaughterhouse by your own government and "security forces". Rather than worry about the very, very few @rseholes with no resources who call themselves ter'r'rists, you should worry about the far greater number of @rseholes who are using this "war on ter'r'rism" to spend all your hard-earned tax money on denying you your legal and human rights.
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Yup, and the best that this major member of an uber-major ter'r'rist organisation could do was use a car and a pointed stick (which may or may not have been a knife from his mum's kitchen). The amount of bullsh1t we're being fed about ter'r'rism is so incredibly huge that it almost matches the amount of taxpayers' money that's being stolen by governments to "make war" on it by spying on us.
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He killed 4 people so far. I'm sure you are glad that your loved ones weren't one of the victims. The amount of bullshit we are being fed, is just right, and on time.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And who is "them"?
Radical Muslims that want to hurt non-muslims. I am of the mindset that you are a strong liberal/socialist ( I could be wrong) and that is fine. When the story broke out here in the States and when I went online it was clear that the suspect was a radical Muslim based on the information presented to me. I hate radical Muslims who want to hurt/kill non-muslims and non-radical muslims. If that makes me the bad guy, then I am glad to be that bad guy. I voted for Trump because he wants to keep radical Muslims who want to hurt/kill non-radical muslims out of my country. Maybe England, Scotland, Ireland, etc. should do the same. Just a thought.
I'm centre right with a strong belief in not jumping to conclusions. Yes, he was a radical muslim, but there was every possibility that he was a completely different type of arsehole. Right now, the UK is riddled with hatred and division, so this could have been from any disaffected group - the Irish troubles are still simmering away and the whole Brexit thing could cause that to rise up again. My philosophy is simple - if you're a decent human being, I couldn't give a shit what nationality/religion you are. If you're a murderous arsehole, that's when I have a problem. But murderous arseholes can come from anywhere. So, to get back to your original question, I guess you were asking why I defend "them" - the answer is, I don't defend "them" when your definition is radical muslims. I do, however, defend muslims when they have nothing to do with atrocities, and actively condemn them. However, this is where people's views get a touch hypocritical, and that really annoys me. As an example, you have people who, on the one hand approve of a ban on muslims entering a country from certain states but who, on the other hand, was happy to be connected to the IRA, and who said about the death of Martin McGuinness "Martin McGuinness was a warrior for Ireland & for peace. He was a man of absolute integrity. Im proud to say Martin McGuinness was my friend". For clarification, if you aren't aware, McGuinness was convicted and imprisoned for his involvement with a vehicle containing 250lbs of explosive and several thousand rounds of ammunition. To the people of Great Britain, McGuinness was a terrorist. That is what I have a problem with - when terrorism isn't treated equally. BTW - The person I was referring to in the paragraph above is Republican Representative Peter King[^].
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He killed 4 people so far. I'm sure you are glad that your loved ones weren't one of the victims. The amount of bullshit we are being fed, is just right, and on time.
Slacker007 wrote:
He killed 4 people so far
No, he didn't. The police killed at least one of the four. But if you're convinced that the occasional psychopathic w@nker like this is worth giving up half your taxes and two-thirds of your human rights, then there's probably no point in discussing it further. Here's a more credible perspective, for you: If the amount of money that is spent on treating decent people like sh1t, under the guise of "anti-ter'r'rism", were to be spent on wiping out organised crime, then there would be no more organised crime. Organised crime kills several orders of magnitude more people than ter'r'rists ever have or ever will kill, and ruins more lives than you could count -- but it also lines the pockets of a lot of people, so we don't want to put a stop to that, do we? Upwardly wake and the coffee smell, eh? The general populace gains nothing from this "war on ter'r'rism". All the money and power goes to people who want to treat the general populace like sh1t.
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The recent pictures of the attacker don't look asian to me. In fact, the suspect is named Abu Izzadeen from Clapton in Hackney. Not asian origin.
No, he's not a suspect, he's still in prison. For good reasons. But you should really check your sources better.
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I'm centre right with a strong belief in not jumping to conclusions. Yes, he was a radical muslim, but there was every possibility that he was a completely different type of arsehole. Right now, the UK is riddled with hatred and division, so this could have been from any disaffected group - the Irish troubles are still simmering away and the whole Brexit thing could cause that to rise up again. My philosophy is simple - if you're a decent human being, I couldn't give a shit what nationality/religion you are. If you're a murderous arsehole, that's when I have a problem. But murderous arseholes can come from anywhere. So, to get back to your original question, I guess you were asking why I defend "them" - the answer is, I don't defend "them" when your definition is radical muslims. I do, however, defend muslims when they have nothing to do with atrocities, and actively condemn them. However, this is where people's views get a touch hypocritical, and that really annoys me. As an example, you have people who, on the one hand approve of a ban on muslims entering a country from certain states but who, on the other hand, was happy to be connected to the IRA, and who said about the death of Martin McGuinness "Martin McGuinness was a warrior for Ireland & for peace. He was a man of absolute integrity. Im proud to say Martin McGuinness was my friend". For clarification, if you aren't aware, McGuinness was convicted and imprisoned for his involvement with a vehicle containing 250lbs of explosive and several thousand rounds of ammunition. To the people of Great Britain, McGuinness was a terrorist. That is what I have a problem with - when terrorism isn't treated equally. BTW - The person I was referring to in the paragraph above is Republican Representative Peter King[^].
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I can sign that as well. :thumbsup:
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No, he's not a suspect, he's still in prison. For good reasons. But you should really check your sources better.
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Indeed. I was surprised that a name was given anywhere considering the Counter Terrorism Unit had only just started their investigations.
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Indeed. I was surprised that a name was given anywhere considering the Counter Terrorism Unit had only just started their investigations.
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Alas, I'm not surprised at all. We're living in a time when people are regurgitating bullshit without a single thought. Myself, I blame twitter and facebook. It was obvious to me that it was false, for the same reason as you stated.
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