Thoughts and prayers for all in London
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So far, I have personally been accused of hijacking threads, and of criticising others. Neither is true, as I have merely stated my opinion, without insulting or criticising anyone, But personal insults (and criticisms) have still been thrown at me. Ask yourself who the bad guy is, here.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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So far, I have personally been accused of hijacking threads, and of criticising others. Neither is true, as I have merely stated my opinion, without insulting or criticising anyone, But personal insults (and criticisms) have still been thrown at me. Ask yourself who the bad guy is, here.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Listen, don't bother me with facts when I'm in the middle of a rant!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Listen, don't bother me with facts when I'm in the middle of a rant!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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The point is that the vast majority of Christians aren't paedophiles, don't support paedophiles, would report paedophiles to the police, and when paedophiles are discovered they focus on showing their disgust for the individual rather than trying to diminish the crime and take attention away from the crime by focusing on the fact that not all Christians are paedos. When paedophiles are discovered the media likewise fully reports on the matter and condemnation is public and widespread and that is how societal attitudes are formed. On the other hand when Muslim terror attacks happen the media spends most of its energy apologising and diminishing the crimes, dragging focus onto how not all Muslims are like this etc, despite many recent polls showing that many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them. They think these attacks are justified. Show me a poll where 50% of Christians think the victims of paedophilia deserve it..... That's the difference.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them
Thank you for proving my point so clearly. Whilst there are still wuckfits who believe that "many" or "all" Muslims "support terrorist attacks", it is still necessary to remind people that that this is not the case. Not to "diminish the crime", or "take attention away from the crime". Just to stop bigoted arseholes from attacking an entire community for the actions of a tiny number of its members. The whole point of Islamist terrorism is to turn the rest of the world against all Muslims. If you're using a terrorist attack to demonize all Muslims, then you're a "useful idiot" doing the terrorists' job for them. :doh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Garth J Lancaster wrote:
lone knifeman
Well, he had a car, too.
And apparently up to 8 people assisting him.. [Birmingham flat police raid linked to Westminster attack - BBC News](http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-39362754)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them
Thank you for proving my point so clearly. Whilst there are still wuckfits who believe that "many" or "all" Muslims "support terrorist attacks", it is still necessary to remind people that that this is not the case. Not to "diminish the crime", or "take attention away from the crime". Just to stop bigoted arseholes from attacking an entire community for the actions of a tiny number of its members. The whole point of Islamist terrorism is to turn the rest of the world against all Muslims. If you're using a terrorist attack to demonize all Muslims, then you're a "useful idiot" doing the terrorists' job for them. :doh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
That's what polls say, if you choose to ignore polls simply because they don't agree with your conceptions of people then maybe you're the wuckfit and this is why we're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world - people like you refuse to wake up and see what's really happening.
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That's what polls say, if you choose to ignore polls simply because they don't agree with your conceptions of people then maybe you're the wuckfit and this is why we're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world - people like you refuse to wake up and see what's really happening.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
That's what polls say,
What, the polls which were so accurate at predicting Brexit? Or the polls which accurately predicted the results of the US presidential election?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
if you choose to ignore polls
I notice you haven't provided a link to a single poll, let alone one from a reputable source with figures to back up your "all Muslims support terrorists" claims. Meanwhile, the MCB have issued a statement[^] condemning yesterday's attack. Quite an odd thing to do if, as you claim, every Muslim "supports terrorist attacks". :doh:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
this is why we're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world
We're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world because some scumbags take every opportunity to exploit a tragedy to push their own bigoted agenda. :mad:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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The point is that the vast majority of Christians aren't paedophiles, don't support paedophiles, would report paedophiles to the police, and when paedophiles are discovered they focus on showing their disgust for the individual rather than trying to diminish the crime and take attention away from the crime by focusing on the fact that not all Christians are paedos. When paedophiles are discovered the media likewise fully reports on the matter and condemnation is public and widespread and that is how societal attitudes are formed. On the other hand when Muslim terror attacks happen the media spends most of its energy apologising and diminishing the crimes, dragging focus onto how not all Muslims are like this etc, despite many recent polls showing that many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them. They think these attacks are justified. Show me a poll where 50% of Christians think the victims of paedophilia deserve it..... That's the difference.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
despite many recent polls showing that many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them
:omg: Do you have any links to these recent polls?
Slogans aren't solutions.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
That's what polls say,
What, the polls which were so accurate at predicting Brexit? Or the polls which accurately predicted the results of the US presidential election?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
if you choose to ignore polls
I notice you haven't provided a link to a single poll, let alone one from a reputable source with figures to back up your "all Muslims support terrorists" claims. Meanwhile, the MCB have issued a statement[^] condemning yesterday's attack. Quite an odd thing to do if, as you claim, every Muslim "supports terrorist attacks". :doh:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
this is why we're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world
We're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world because some scumbags take every opportunity to exploit a tragedy to push their own bigoted agenda. :mad:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
What, the polls which were so accurate at predicting Brexit?
You're talking about predicting the result of a poll, that's a different thing.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I notice you haven't provided a link to a single poll, let alone one from a reputable source with figures to back up your "all Muslims support terrorists" claims.
I didn't claim all Muslims support terrorism. Do you really think I would say something like that? Credit me with some intelligence please. When I said the poll was Muslims (all Muslims) I meant that all Muslims were polled, not just those in Guantanamo Bay for example, ie that is was as fair a representation as you're likely to get.
Richard Deeming wrote:
We're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world because some scumbags take every opportunity to exploit a tragedy to push their own bigoted agenda.
No, we're sleepwalking into a barbaric state because we're taken on an ever expanding Muslim population where half of which think homosexuality should be illegal, half think homosexuals should not be teachers, a third think the wife is less equal than the husband and so....yet people like yourself simply dismiss these things as "racist" and "bigoted agenda".
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
despite many recent polls showing that many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them
:omg: Do you have any links to these recent polls?
Slogans aren't solutions.
I do but if I posted them people wouldn't simply try to discredit the poll rather than admit that it might be accurate, so I'll leave you to do your own googling.
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Richard Deeming wrote:
What, the polls which were so accurate at predicting Brexit?
You're talking about predicting the result of a poll, that's a different thing.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I notice you haven't provided a link to a single poll, let alone one from a reputable source with figures to back up your "all Muslims support terrorists" claims.
I didn't claim all Muslims support terrorism. Do you really think I would say something like that? Credit me with some intelligence please. When I said the poll was Muslims (all Muslims) I meant that all Muslims were polled, not just those in Guantanamo Bay for example, ie that is was as fair a representation as you're likely to get.
Richard Deeming wrote:
We're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world because some scumbags take every opportunity to exploit a tragedy to push their own bigoted agenda.
No, we're sleepwalking into a barbaric state because we're taken on an ever expanding Muslim population where half of which think homosexuality should be illegal, half think homosexuals should not be teachers, a third think the wife is less equal than the husband and so....yet people like yourself simply dismiss these things as "racist" and "bigoted agenda".
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
When I said the poll was Muslims (all Muslims) I meant that all Muslims were polled, not just those in Guantanamo Bay for example, ie that is was as fair a representation as you're likely to get.
OK, that's a better explanation. :thumbsup: (If you re-read your previous post, I'm sure you can see how I came to the wrong conclusion about what you were saying.)
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
half of which think homosexuality should be illegal, half think homosexuals should not be teachers
Sorry, are we back to talking about Christians again? :rolleyes:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
yet people like yourself simply dismiss these things as "racist" and "bigoted agenda".
No, what I'm dismissing is the people who actually do think or claim that most (or all) Muslims "support terrorism". The homophobic and misogynistic attitudes which are prevalent in some communities are totally unacceptable. But this is a distraction from the original point: the need to remind some people that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists. It would be nice to live in a world where that wasn't necessary. Where everyone understood that the actions of a tiny minority do not reflect the intentions of the entire group. But that's not the world we live in (yet).
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Then let's approve spending another handful of million quid on letting security forces spy on us, purportedly to protect us from the one nutter every few years with a knife, who's labelled as a ter'r'rist.
Months (or even weeks) if you're in Europe. Regardless of how we/everyone/the media/governments try to play it all down it does seem to be on the increase. How long will it be before it's one of our friends or family members injured or killed in a future attack (that we're told by our elites that "we have to learn to live with")? What I don't understand is why people who disagree/dislike our way of life don't just move somewhere more amenable rather than staying here, getting angry with everything and then attacking innocent bystanders?
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
What I don't understand is why people who disagree/dislike our way of life don't just move somewhere more amenable rather than staying here, getting angry with everything and then attacking innocent bystanders?
Because it is there wish that everyone's way of life become their way of life. [interlude] Christianity's spent most of its two millennia doing just that to "heathens" throughout the world. Now, Islam's taking a turn at it - just switch "heathen" and "infidel". WTF's the difference when it's really only a buzz-word for maiming, torturing, and killing anyone who disagrees with their divine insight? [/interlude] They won't leave because it's you they want to leave. Now do you get it?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
When I said the poll was Muslims (all Muslims) I meant that all Muslims were polled, not just those in Guantanamo Bay for example, ie that is was as fair a representation as you're likely to get.
OK, that's a better explanation. :thumbsup: (If you re-read your previous post, I'm sure you can see how I came to the wrong conclusion about what you were saying.)
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
half of which think homosexuality should be illegal, half think homosexuals should not be teachers
Sorry, are we back to talking about Christians again? :rolleyes:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
yet people like yourself simply dismiss these things as "racist" and "bigoted agenda".
No, what I'm dismissing is the people who actually do think or claim that most (or all) Muslims "support terrorism". The homophobic and misogynistic attitudes which are prevalent in some communities are totally unacceptable. But this is a distraction from the original point: the need to remind some people that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists. It would be nice to live in a world where that wasn't necessary. Where everyone understood that the actions of a tiny minority do not reflect the intentions of the entire group. But that's not the world we live in (yet).
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm sure you can see how I came to the wrong conclusion about what you were saying
I fully agree it was badly worded...I even contemplated editing it after I posted it but CBA :)
Richard Deeming wrote:
But this is a distraction from the original point: the need to remind some people that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists.
But an unacceptably large number support or sympathise with terrorism, and that's a big issue as going from supporting to doing is far easier than going from condemning to doing. Add to that their other prevalent attitudes that are not compatible with a free society like ours and there are huge issues ahead that no-one is facing up to.
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
What I don't understand is why people who disagree/dislike our way of life don't just move somewhere more amenable rather than staying here, getting angry with everything and then attacking innocent bystanders?
Because it is there wish that everyone's way of life become their way of life. [interlude] Christianity's spent most of its two millennia doing just that to "heathens" throughout the world. Now, Islam's taking a turn at it - just switch "heathen" and "infidel". WTF's the difference when it's really only a buzz-word for maiming, torturing, and killing anyone who disagrees with their divine insight? [/interlude] They won't leave because it's you they want to leave. Now do you get it?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
WTF's the difference
To be fair (and I speak as an atheist here) Christianity generally worked to improve the levels of education, health and civil behaviour.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
They won't leave because it's you they want to leave. Now do you get it?
I got it long ago. Just waiting for others to catch up :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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I do but if I posted them people wouldn't simply try to discredit the poll rather than admit that it might be accurate, so I'll leave you to do your own googling.
Well, that's me convinced.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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Well, that's me convinced.
Slogans aren't solutions.
You've already made up your mind and nothing will convince you so I'm just saving myself a lot of wasted time :)
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Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm sure you can see how I came to the wrong conclusion about what you were saying
I fully agree it was badly worded...I even contemplated editing it after I posted it but CBA :)
Richard Deeming wrote:
But this is a distraction from the original point: the need to remind some people that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists.
But an unacceptably large number support or sympathise with terrorism, and that's a big issue as going from supporting to doing is far easier than going from condemning to doing. Add to that their other prevalent attitudes that are not compatible with a free society like ours and there are huge issues ahead that no-one is facing up to.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
But an unacceptably large number support or sympathise with terrorism,
Well, one would be an unacceptably large number. :) But we're not going to change their minds by demonising or ostracising the entire group every time some nutcase attacks us. After all, we didn't tell all the Irish people to "feck off" every time some nutter from one of their US-funded terrorist organisations called in a bomb threat.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
WTF's the difference
To be fair (and I speak as an atheist here) Christianity generally worked to improve the levels of education, health and civil behaviour.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
They won't leave because it's you they want to leave. Now do you get it?
I got it long ago. Just waiting for others to catch up :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Christianity generally worked to improve the levels of education, health and civil behavior.
That's christianity's narrative. In fact, the church had a strong policy that the worshipers don't need to read - the clergy will do it for them - doing their part to keep Europe in the Dark Ages. Civil behavior? How many Jews they tortured, burned, raped, murdered . . . with teaching the church got underway in the 4th century. Or the church's OK for the Lord of the Manner to f*ck each maiden on her wedding night before the groom gets a taste? The Inquisition (a money/property grab). Health? You're ill because you sinned . . . Actually, just look through western history and you'll see the church taking it's $$ cut from essentially all the hell this planet's surface has endured. The above-mentioned faith, calling it's champion the "Prince of Peace" - sounds an awful lot like the current drama of misery - where they call themselves "The Religion of Peace".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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You've already made up your mind and nothing will convince you so I'm just saving myself a lot of wasted time :)
I tend to base my opinions on information and you're yet to share any.
Slogans aren't solutions.
