Win10 - Ugh
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Windows 10 with Classic Shell works quite well for me. I admit to preferring the Windows 7 UI, but it's not that big an issue with me. OTOH, all I manage is my family's ( myself, my wife, and my daughters ) computers. I can't say what it would be like to manage a Win10 domain, or some such.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Yeah, I use the Windows 10 with Classic Shell combo, too. I don't see what the big hate is about, as far as regular use goes. I do understand the hate over the ads, and not having control over your own hardware as to when it updates and reboots, and what it updates. Otherwise, it's like enhanced Win 7 to me.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Hung, drawn and quartered is a single process. You don't get to stop at the hanging. They hang you until you're almost, but not quite, unconscious, then they let you down and let you wake up. Then they do it again another time or two, or more, depending on the enthusiasm level of the crowd. Then they draw and quarter you, slowly. Still interested? lol
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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I had the displeasure of using a Win10 computer last night. I hated it. That is all.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Meh, it's not that bad... Just use Classic view, customize your menu to remove all of those stupid tiles, and it basically feels like Win7. The forced reboots for updates are a little annoying, but you can postpone them if you have the Professional version instead of the entry-level one. Can't really compare performance with Win7 (I skipped Win8 entirely), since I upgraded my entire computer at the same time (M2 SSD = Much awesomeness)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
No :-D Is it not possible to bring in that I'm not native english and that hang is enough? :laugh:
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Yeah, I use the Windows 10 with Classic Shell combo, too. I don't see what the big hate is about, as far as regular use goes. I do understand the hate over the ads, and not having control over your own hardware as to when it updates and reboots, and what it updates. Otherwise, it's like enhanced Win 7 to me.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
I can see eventually no choice but to go 10 (11, 12), Although classic shell does make things 'more familiar' there's more I'd like to see fixed. i.e. complete block on ms data theft, choice on updates, banish metro ... fixed (adj): give full and proper control of a machine to it's owner. If ms doesn't provide these then good quality 3rd party utils/hacks are fine. Yeah I know some are already out there, but currently somewhat rusty/leaky/breaky. (Plus just did fresh 7 clean-install to fix weirdness caused by vs-15/17, enough pain for 1 year.)
Sin tack the any key okay
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No, sorry. Commit a crime in merry old Renaissance England, you pay using the local currency. No mercy for the non-citizen, I'm afraid. ;P
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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I had the displeasure of using a Win10 computer last night. I hated it. That is all.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Microsoft hates you even more, as Win10 proves :D
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I had the displeasure of using a Win10 computer last night. I hated it. That is all.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Luckily for me, my company has been gracious enough to grant me an MSDN license, from which I downloaded the Enterprise edition of winio. No Store, No Cortana, Updates when I tell it to update, I get to uninstall One Drive... It's almost halfway decent under these circumstances. Of course, I only spend about 2-3 hours a week these days on my Win10 machine. The vast majority of my time is spent on a Linux box these days.
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Meh, it's not that bad... Just use Classic view, customize your menu to remove all of those stupid tiles, and it basically feels like Win7. The forced reboots for updates are a little annoying, but you can postpone them if you have the Professional version instead of the entry-level one. Can't really compare performance with Win7 (I skipped Win8 entirely), since I upgraded my entire computer at the same time (M2 SSD = Much awesomeness)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Classic view
Where's the setting for this? Did a quick google and the links I see want me to install some third party app.
Jeremy Falcon
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Windows 10 with Classic Shell works quite well for me. I admit to preferring the Windows 7 UI, but it's not that big an issue with me. OTOH, all I manage is my family's ( myself, my wife, and my daughters ) computers. I can't say what it would be like to manage a Win10 domain, or some such.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Not my computer so I am not willing to change configuration.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Yeah, I use the Windows 10 with Classic Shell combo, too. I don't see what the big hate is about, as far as regular use goes. I do understand the hate over the ads, and not having control over your own hardware as to when it updates and reboots, and what it updates. Otherwise, it's like enhanced Win 7 to me.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
TNCaver wrote:
and not having control over your own hardware as to when it updates and reboots, and what it updates. Otherwise
There is no OTHERWISE. In principal, what could be worse than that - i.e., buying a computer for MicroSloth?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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TNCaver wrote:
and not having control over your own hardware as to when it updates and reboots, and what it updates. Otherwise
There is no OTHERWISE. In principal, what could be worse than that - i.e., buying a computer for MicroSloth?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Paying Apple to buy a computer for Apple?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Caution: there are a few ms fanlemmings stalking the board. Anyway, 10's not that bad, that is for people that don't really need to use a computer very much or do any real work on it. (Im nncluding the marketing dept in that one.)
Sin tack the any key okay
I fully agree. In addition, todays IT industry tends to produce devices and softwer not for people who do real work. And that is the gigantic mistake in the case of Windows OS. Microsoft CEOs should take in consideration that what works for Apple and Samsung doesn't work for them.
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Caution: there are a few ms fanlemmings stalking the board. Anyway, 10's not that bad, that is for people that don't really need to use a computer very much or do any real work on it. (Im nncluding the marketing dept in that one.)
Sin tack the any key okay
Bleh. It's really not that bad for developing MVC web apps, console apps, windows services on (I consider this real work). I've been running it as my main development machine for a while now... it's really not the worst. Windows 8 was the worst. Obviously I wish it was all 'lighter' feeling with less garbage though... :zzz:
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I had the displeasure of using a Win10 computer last night. I hated it. That is all.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I have tried, several times, to like Windows 10. I played with it from the first developer previews on up to when it went GA (and that stupid "free" forced-upgrade period). There was nothing major wrong with the thing (that I noticed) other than the fact that a device or two that I have were no longer supported. (A photo printer I have 2 of and work fine). I also didn't care much for the GUI changes and it just "felt" intrusive - always tossing an ad for something. "Try Microsoft Office 2015" ... that kind of thing. I use my machines for software development - not as an extension of my phone. I use my phones as an extension of my main development machine, not the other way around. I also don't care for the fact that I would have to trash perfectly good printers over a software upgrade! I keep a copy of Windows 10 in a VM so that I can test desktop applications I write (WinForms) to make sure nothing has been broken by the new version of the O/S - as I do have a client or two that have moved to it. So far no problems on that front at least. I spent nearly 2 years fiddling with the thing trying to like it and finally decided that I just don't care for it. (Yeah, I know, I'm thick-headed!) I have finally locked my entire network down on Windows 7. It's not likely that I'm going to ever switch. My equipment is well maintained and I'm unlikely to buy another computer any time soon. I buy slightly older models of equipment anyway. (The last NEW machine I bought was this XPS 8300 and it's cattle-bred with an i7/2600 and upgraded with 1TB SSD and 16GB of main - pretty high performance). Windows 7 ain't going anywhere for a long time, IMHO. When it reaches end-of-support I'll just keep my firewall on the router tuned up and not worry about it. I haven't ever gotten hacked as it is in the last 10-15 years through all the versions of Windows I've used in this house so I'm not particularly worried about it. I got better things to do (like build toys for my grandson!) than ride the "upgrade train" any longer. You can HAVE Windows 10!
If you think that hiring a professional is expensive wait until you try hiring an amateur! - Red Adair
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I have tried, several times, to like Windows 10. I played with it from the first developer previews on up to when it went GA (and that stupid "free" forced-upgrade period). There was nothing major wrong with the thing (that I noticed) other than the fact that a device or two that I have were no longer supported. (A photo printer I have 2 of and work fine). I also didn't care much for the GUI changes and it just "felt" intrusive - always tossing an ad for something. "Try Microsoft Office 2015" ... that kind of thing. I use my machines for software development - not as an extension of my phone. I use my phones as an extension of my main development machine, not the other way around. I also don't care for the fact that I would have to trash perfectly good printers over a software upgrade! I keep a copy of Windows 10 in a VM so that I can test desktop applications I write (WinForms) to make sure nothing has been broken by the new version of the O/S - as I do have a client or two that have moved to it. So far no problems on that front at least. I spent nearly 2 years fiddling with the thing trying to like it and finally decided that I just don't care for it. (Yeah, I know, I'm thick-headed!) I have finally locked my entire network down on Windows 7. It's not likely that I'm going to ever switch. My equipment is well maintained and I'm unlikely to buy another computer any time soon. I buy slightly older models of equipment anyway. (The last NEW machine I bought was this XPS 8300 and it's cattle-bred with an i7/2600 and upgraded with 1TB SSD and 16GB of main - pretty high performance). Windows 7 ain't going anywhere for a long time, IMHO. When it reaches end-of-support I'll just keep my firewall on the router tuned up and not worry about it. I haven't ever gotten hacked as it is in the last 10-15 years through all the versions of Windows I've used in this house so I'm not particularly worried about it. I got better things to do (like build toys for my grandson!) than ride the "upgrade train" any longer. You can HAVE Windows 10!
If you think that hiring a professional is expensive wait until you try hiring an amateur! - Red Adair
I concur. I will probably have to use Windows 10 at the office within the next year or so as we have to support users that will get it, but then it will be the Enterprise version which is inherently better anyway. At home I am still using Windows 7 for most of my machines with XP to run an old scanner and printer, Vista as a sandbox and test machine (it just keeps working and has NEVER given any trouble) and Server 2008 on my home file and backup servers.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I concur. I will probably have to use Windows 10 at the office within the next year or so as we have to support users that will get it, but then it will be the Enterprise version which is inherently better anyway. At home I am still using Windows 7 for most of my machines with XP to run an old scanner and printer, Vista as a sandbox and test machine (it just keeps working and has NEVER given any trouble) and Server 2008 on my home file and backup servers.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Yeah, sometimes constraints at work require that we use stuff we wouldn't use ourselves. The company I work for provided laptops for the developers and gave us the choice of Windows 7 or 10 and I went with 7, of course. If they, at any point, require upgrading to 10 then it will be on their machine, not my equipment. As I said earlier, it's a matter of constantly wasting time and money replacing technology that does the job. I'm in the same mode with my development tools. I still use VS2008/SQL Server/Active Reports 6 to produce my product. I spent about $1000 on those things and nothing about the new Visual Studio (or the other products) enhances what I can produce. I'm very much in a "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" mode with all this stuff. I have a 20-year-old table saw out in the wood shop that still cuts wood as well as it did when it was new. Until it physically wears out or they upgrade wood to a new material that it can't cut I reckon I'll stick with it, too! ;-)
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Caution: there are a few ms fanlemmings stalking the board. Anyway, 10's not that bad, that is for people that don't really need to use a computer very much or do any real work on it. (Im nncluding the marketing dept in that one.)
Sin tack the any key okay
I was fighting the urge to comment, but I became overwhelmed with the gnawing feeling that my words just had to be heard (the inner narcissist was speaking to me). As a developer across multiple platforms (desktop, services for servers, web, etc, etc), I'd state that Windows 10 has been pretty darn good for me. It is faster than the previous iterations, it tends not to get bogged down as much (but Visual Studio 2017 can sometimes be a pig), and if you ignore all those tile things in the start menu (who looks at those?), it is a very productive machine. Now for something completely different... Then the gamer in me - my beast of a machine that powers my gaming (sad that this isn't my development PC) is also top notch running Windows 10. Best framerates, no slow downs once again, and of course, compatibility with the wide genre of games is important. I'm a steamhead that occasionally dabbles in the Microsoft Store (to grab GoW), but not really a fan. The addition of the Linux bash shell to Windows 10, the speed at which it operates, and the ability to "pretty much" have access to anything by just typing a few characters in the start menu is a dream come true. For the sad panda side: I upgraded to the Creator's Update. First issue was that on my gaming PC, my 4k monitor became washed out. Frustrating and angering at first, but I found that if you allow NVidia to control your HDR, and turn off the new Windows 10 setting for HDR, inner peace with your machine can be found. Next, I typed a simple multiplication problem into the search bar (I use Cortana a lot for my go-to calculator), and it asked me if I wanted to search the web... That appears to be fixed this morning, but wasn't yesterday for some reason. So is it perfect? Not really? Do the tiles do anything for me, other than serve as decorative nonsense on my start menu? Nope. But is it the best environment for my purposes so far? Yup...
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Yeah, sometimes constraints at work require that we use stuff we wouldn't use ourselves. The company I work for provided laptops for the developers and gave us the choice of Windows 7 or 10 and I went with 7, of course. If they, at any point, require upgrading to 10 then it will be on their machine, not my equipment. As I said earlier, it's a matter of constantly wasting time and money replacing technology that does the job. I'm in the same mode with my development tools. I still use VS2008/SQL Server/Active Reports 6 to produce my product. I spent about $1000 on those things and nothing about the new Visual Studio (or the other products) enhances what I can produce. I'm very much in a "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" mode with all this stuff. I have a 20-year-old table saw out in the wood shop that still cuts wood as well as it did when it was new. Until it physically wears out or they upgrade wood to a new material that it can't cut I reckon I'll stick with it, too! ;-)
My dad, a master carpenter, used to have this hammer he swore by. He said, "They just don't make them like they used to. I've had this same hammer for years. !t's only had two new heads and three new handles in all that time and yet it still works like a new one!". ;P PS. I am setting up an old table saw (probably at least 15 years old) left to me by a friend and am looking forward to many happy hours accurately cutting wood for various projects my wife has lined up for me!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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My dad, a master carpenter, used to have this hammer he swore by. He said, "They just don't make them like they used to. I've had this same hammer for years. !t's only had two new heads and three new handles in all that time and yet it still works like a new one!". ;P PS. I am setting up an old table saw (probably at least 15 years old) left to me by a friend and am looking forward to many happy hours accurately cutting wood for various projects my wife has lined up for me!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I know we're getting off-topic here but, yeah, you just don't need to update your tools until something appears that's going to radically improve the way you go about your work. Enjoy that old table saw! :-)
