A Programmers Life
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As an OCD sufferer, everything for me has to be black or white/yes or no, so I prefer to write out my programs in full in binary in a text editor. The only "extra" functionality I need in the text editor is the ability to sort, because when I'm finished writing a program, I insist on sorting all those messy ones and zeros numerically -- and I get annoyed if this doesn't result in the same number of pages of zeros as are used for the ones, so I make up the difference by adding instances of the character that came up short. The programs work perfectly well, so I don't see any need to invest in any new-fangled UIs, frameworks, etc.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This is a general question to all and I really am not asking for help per say, but really just understanding why you have chosen a specific set of tools used for creating the majority of the projects created and what led you to the path you're on. For instance, I would like to know what programming language you prefer for creating GUI main pages, if you use cross platform or maybe any language depending on your project? You will be targeting a Windows environment Ver.7 and beyond. Let's assume that it's for a local program, not web-based and the targeted user will be using it as a database collection program. I just want opinions, advice and the knowledge from experienced programmers. What is your language of choice and why? Thank you for taking your time to share. :-) I am not trying to waste your time or annoy anyone, but my curiosity has been scratching the inside of my skull for some time now. Again, thank you and wish you all a Happy Easter!
I've been in the industry for over 30 years now and have a variety of tool as needed. I started with FORTran and FMS on a VAX/VMS platform and from there, migrated to some Windows development. However, most of my Windows development, then and now, has been back end processing: services, data extract/manipulation processing, etc. So, I started using the tools made available and in common use in the areas I was in. That tended to be VB6, then VB.NET. I know, flameproof suit on, but, if it works for what I need... So.. to that extent, use what you are comfortable with that will do the job.
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C#, because it's an awesome language. And if I want a really professional looking UI, I use DevExpress (mainly because I know it better than other 3rd party UI frameworks.) Marc
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Mordor? LMAO!I love it! Java is a great tool and I do appreciate your input or should I say output? I know, I know, bad nerd joke but I couldn't help it lol. Do you write in any other languages? Java will only get you so far and then you must use some variant of the "C" languages to start or complete your project, unless you're writing for a very specific object... Thanks again, -Randy :)
Java is ok. It's JavaScript which I really dislike. Despite the name the two are totally different animals. I have picked up a few langages along the way, but I try to keep my eggs in the same basket for a single project. The big question always is which basket to choose. Java or C# are among your best bets when you intend to run your code on different platforms. Right now I'm about to refactor a nice big load of code, but I'm caught between all chairs. I have nice data objects that have some built in logic, like validation. Now, that's a breach of the single responsibility principle[^] and I pay a certain price for that. I need to get those data objects throgh web services to a client. On the client side I must convert the dumb 'substitutes' back to the original types. That's not very complicated code, but it needs to be done for every object. Muche worse is that this approach also constitutes a breach of the multitier architecture[^]. Ok, it's not so hard to refactor the data objects, for example by moving the validation to a separate Validator object. But when I strip the data objects of all logic, the next guru comes around the corner and tells me that I now have a anemic domain model[^]. That's usually the point where I let the gurus be gurus and go ahead with what appears the least harmful choice. The comment about writing your own UI also was about this[^] little game client. There was no UI out of the box that could work together with a 3D engine, so I just made my own.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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Hi Marc, Thank you for your input. Everyone here appreciates, as well as myself, a look into the thoughts of real programmers pounding out code day after day. Programming, computers, electronics and just finding out things work will be a passion of mine until I'm no longer able. I have been coding since I was nine years young (38 years now, WOW!) I have never put this in writing lol, that seems like a long time. With new tech coming out constantly, I feel like I'm being left behind, but most of the new is "old" and just remolded. Sadly, I'm still stuck in the old DOS days and still use COBOL. I have written several apps using Visual Studio's in different languages and I still wonder if I'm keeping up or just staying alive. I guess it doesn't matter, as long as, my clients are happy. Although, I would like to settle down and write code in a language that will always be in tune with future "Windows" technology. Well, that's enough rambling for now, thanks, again. :-) -Randy
DrBones69 wrote:
and I still wonder if I'm keeping up or just staying alive.
Granted, it's easier to say this than to do it, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, but whenever I can, I try to focus on what I'm passionate about, not what some latest craze says I should passionate about. This is particularly true about tech, where things come and go so fast you don't know what to take in and what to ignore. But the thing that remains more or less constant is your own passions and interests. That said, of course there are times when something hits the industry that I end up saying, wow, I really want to learn that. That happened a lot in my 20's and 30's, in 40's less so, and in my 50's now, most "new" things are yawners. ;) Marc
Latest Article - Merkle Trees Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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As an OCD sufferer, everything for me has to be black or white/yes or no, so I prefer to write out my programs in full in binary in a text editor. The only "extra" functionality I need in the text editor is the ability to sort, because when I'm finished writing a program, I insist on sorting all those messy ones and zeros numerically -- and I get annoyed if this doesn't result in the same number of pages of zeros as are used for the ones, so I make up the difference by adding instances of the character that came up short. The programs work perfectly well, so I don't see any need to invest in any new-fangled UIs, frameworks, etc.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Java is ok. It's JavaScript which I really dislike. Despite the name the two are totally different animals. I have picked up a few langages along the way, but I try to keep my eggs in the same basket for a single project. The big question always is which basket to choose. Java or C# are among your best bets when you intend to run your code on different platforms. Right now I'm about to refactor a nice big load of code, but I'm caught between all chairs. I have nice data objects that have some built in logic, like validation. Now, that's a breach of the single responsibility principle[^] and I pay a certain price for that. I need to get those data objects throgh web services to a client. On the client side I must convert the dumb 'substitutes' back to the original types. That's not very complicated code, but it needs to be done for every object. Muche worse is that this approach also constitutes a breach of the multitier architecture[^]. Ok, it's not so hard to refactor the data objects, for example by moving the validation to a separate Validator object. But when I strip the data objects of all logic, the next guru comes around the corner and tells me that I now have a anemic domain model[^]. That's usually the point where I let the gurus be gurus and go ahead with what appears the least harmful choice. The comment about writing your own UI also was about this[^] little game client. There was no UI out of the box that could work together with a 3D engine, so I just made my own.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, wCDP1802 wrote:
Java or C# are among your best bets when you intend to run your code on different platforms
C# runs everywhere on all your Windows devices. Well alright, with .NET Core it runs on other devices as well, but I don't think it's as widely supported as Java just yet. However... For true multi-platform support you need to travel to Mordor. JavaScript is the only language that will run in your browser (all the others just transpile to JavaScript), it runs on your desktop, on your server, on Linux, Windows, iOS, embedded, in your IoT devices, your dog, your cat, your grandma and the armies of Mordor. Or maybe C++, C, Assembly or 1's and 0's :D 01001001 01101110 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100100 01101001 01100100 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 00110001 00100111 01110011 00101100 00100000 01101111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 00110000 00100111 01110011 00100000 00111010 01000100 (from the top of my head ;p)
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As an OCD sufferer, everything for me has to be black or white/yes or no, so I prefer to write out my programs in full in binary in a text editor. The only "extra" functionality I need in the text editor is the ability to sort, because when I'm finished writing a program, I insist on sorting all those messy ones and zeros numerically -- and I get annoyed if this doesn't result in the same number of pages of zeros as are used for the ones, so I make up the difference by adding instances of the character that came up short. The programs work perfectly well, so I don't see any need to invest in any new-fangled UIs, frameworks, etc.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I believe you :|
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CDP1802 wrote:
Java or C# are among your best bets when you intend to run your code on different platforms
C# runs everywhere on all your Windows devices. Well alright, with .NET Core it runs on other devices as well, but I don't think it's as widely supported as Java just yet. However... For true multi-platform support you need to travel to Mordor. JavaScript is the only language that will run in your browser (all the others just transpile to JavaScript), it runs on your desktop, on your server, on Linux, Windows, iOS, embedded, in your IoT devices, your dog, your cat, your grandma and the armies of Mordor. Or maybe C++, C, Assembly or 1's and 0's :D 01001001 01101110 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100100 01101001 01100100 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 00110001 00100111 01110011 00101100 00100000 01101111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 00110000 00100111 01110011 00100000 00111010 01000100 (from the top of my head ;p)
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Sander Rossel wrote:
For true multi-platform support you need to travel to Mordor.
Nope. I could compile my stuff for Android and iOS, but I have not tried it yet. Perhaps it also works with Mono, then Linux is also in reach. Good enough.
Sander Rossel wrote:
JavaScript is the only language that will run in your browser (all the others just transpile to JavaScript), it runs on your desktop, on your ...
So does any C64 emulator. Then we could just use good old C64 BASIC, wich is the older 'cool', but slowpoky interpreter everyone loved.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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This is a general question to all and I really am not asking for help per say, but really just understanding why you have chosen a specific set of tools used for creating the majority of the projects created and what led you to the path you're on. For instance, I would like to know what programming language you prefer for creating GUI main pages, if you use cross platform or maybe any language depending on your project? You will be targeting a Windows environment Ver.7 and beyond. Let's assume that it's for a local program, not web-based and the targeted user will be using it as a database collection program. I just want opinions, advice and the knowledge from experienced programmers. What is your language of choice and why? Thank you for taking your time to share. :-) I am not trying to waste your time or annoy anyone, but my curiosity has been scratching the inside of my skull for some time now. Again, thank you and wish you all a Happy Easter!
C# That's all the answer you need - now go create...
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Java is ok. It's JavaScript which I really dislike. Despite the name the two are totally different animals. I have picked up a few langages along the way, but I try to keep my eggs in the same basket for a single project. The big question always is which basket to choose. Java or C# are among your best bets when you intend to run your code on different platforms. Right now I'm about to refactor a nice big load of code, but I'm caught between all chairs. I have nice data objects that have some built in logic, like validation. Now, that's a breach of the single responsibility principle[^] and I pay a certain price for that. I need to get those data objects throgh web services to a client. On the client side I must convert the dumb 'substitutes' back to the original types. That's not very complicated code, but it needs to be done for every object. Muche worse is that this approach also constitutes a breach of the multitier architecture[^]. Ok, it's not so hard to refactor the data objects, for example by moving the validation to a separate Validator object. But when I strip the data objects of all logic, the next guru comes around the corner and tells me that I now have a anemic domain model[^]. That's usually the point where I let the gurus be gurus and go ahead with what appears the least harmful choice. The comment about writing your own UI also was about this[^] little game client. There was no UI out of the box that could work together with a 3D engine, so I just made my own.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, wThanks CDP1802! It seems that the majority of programmers that have replied to my thread have said that C# is the way to go for many reasons other than just a UI. I have written a couple of projects in C# and I did enjoy the learning curve, but it also seems to be a powerful language. I will dive into C# and see where it leads, it may turn out to be my new language of choice. But I will cross that bridge with my safety harness on with my lifeline attached to my background of so many hours of dangling on a thin branch. I'm trying so hard to leave the old days and join the new world of .NET, Cloud(Azure) and many other new technologies. Thanks again and a wish you luck with your refactoring, sounds like a big job ahead. -Randy
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CDP1802 wrote:
Java or C# are among your best bets when you intend to run your code on different platforms
C# runs everywhere on all your Windows devices. Well alright, with .NET Core it runs on other devices as well, but I don't think it's as widely supported as Java just yet. However... For true multi-platform support you need to travel to Mordor. JavaScript is the only language that will run in your browser (all the others just transpile to JavaScript), it runs on your desktop, on your server, on Linux, Windows, iOS, embedded, in your IoT devices, your dog, your cat, your grandma and the armies of Mordor. Or maybe C++, C, Assembly or 1's and 0's :D 01001001 01101110 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100100 01101001 01100100 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 00110001 00100111 01110011 00101100 00100000 01101111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 00110000 00100111 01110011 00100000 00111010 01000100 (from the top of my head ;p)
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it takes more ink to print a zero than a 1, so by weight [the pages of] zeros exceed the ones. ... have fun trying to get to sleep tonight! :suss: :laugh: :suss: :laugh: :suss: :laugh:
Sin tack the any key okay
Damn you!
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ones and zeros
Why both? The Romans built an empire that lasted for centuries, using a numerical system that did not have a zero. You should try to get away without a zero as well. Use only ones! ;P
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
That's just silly! The programs wouldn't work!
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I always knew there was something special about you, something that tugged on my heartstrings, and made me want to give you drugs ! cheers, Bill
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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As an OCD sufferer, everything for me has to be black or white/yes or no, so I prefer to write out my programs in full in binary in a text editor. The only "extra" functionality I need in the text editor is the ability to sort, because when I'm finished writing a program, I insist on sorting all those messy ones and zeros numerically -- and I get annoyed if this doesn't result in the same number of pages of zeros as are used for the ones, so I make up the difference by adding instances of the character that came up short. The programs work perfectly well, so I don't see any need to invest in any new-fangled UIs, frameworks, etc.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I'll be.... a text editor? I always thought that real programmers used "copy con"
"Abstract art? A product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered." Al Capp
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If only I was joking. JavaScript really is the one language that runs EVERYWHERE (or the one language to rule them all, sticking to the LOTR analogy). One of the worst languages ever created so of course it had to be the universal programming language X| I wouldn't start with JavaScript as a first language though (even though it's really easy to get started with). C# is a solid choice, beautiful and elegant language. It has many features JavaScript lacks. Just download and install Visual Studio Community Edition and you're pretty much ready to go :)
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I'll be.... a text editor? I always thought that real programmers used "copy con"
"Abstract art? A product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered." Al Capp
EDLINandSORTare all the development environment I need. And a coffee machine, of course. No environment is complete without a coffee machine.I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This is a general question to all and I really am not asking for help per say, but really just understanding why you have chosen a specific set of tools used for creating the majority of the projects created and what led you to the path you're on. For instance, I would like to know what programming language you prefer for creating GUI main pages, if you use cross platform or maybe any language depending on your project? You will be targeting a Windows environment Ver.7 and beyond. Let's assume that it's for a local program, not web-based and the targeted user will be using it as a database collection program. I just want opinions, advice and the knowledge from experienced programmers. What is your language of choice and why? Thank you for taking your time to share. :-) I am not trying to waste your time or annoy anyone, but my curiosity has been scratching the inside of my skull for some time now. Again, thank you and wish you all a Happy Easter!
C++ is my language of choice, simply because it's the only language that can get me true satisfaction. Besides, I like Qt more than anything .net has to offer.
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This is a general question to all and I really am not asking for help per say, but really just understanding why you have chosen a specific set of tools used for creating the majority of the projects created and what led you to the path you're on. For instance, I would like to know what programming language you prefer for creating GUI main pages, if you use cross platform or maybe any language depending on your project? You will be targeting a Windows environment Ver.7 and beyond. Let's assume that it's for a local program, not web-based and the targeted user will be using it as a database collection program. I just want opinions, advice and the knowledge from experienced programmers. What is your language of choice and why? Thank you for taking your time to share. :-) I am not trying to waste your time or annoy anyone, but my curiosity has been scratching the inside of my skull for some time now. Again, thank you and wish you all a Happy Easter!
C# with DevExpress XAF. With one source code in C# with XAF, you produce : - WinForms - Web (touch enabled) - multi-platform Mobile app with native look and feel. Your source code is mainly the description of your objects and their relations, where you add declarative validation and other goodies via attributes. Your application creates (or updates) the database automatically (including indexes, foreign keys, necessary n-n relation tables, etc.) and produces a beautiful default UI that you can fully customize, either in Visual Studio or at run-time. The learning curve is sharp, but well worth it. Everything is done by following best design patterns. See my answer to another similar question here, that includes links to tutorials and demos: Generic Multi Purpose .NET Layered Framework[^]
