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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    Kevin Marois wrote:

    Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

    But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


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    Kevin Marois
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    For you it is. It's F6 on my Home PC and both my work PC's. And the other Dev's here say the same. That right there is my point. It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      For you it is. It's F6 on my Home PC and both my work PC's. And the other Dev's here say the same. That right there is my point. It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      Richard Deeming
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      Kevin Marois wrote:

      It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

      But then you'll get people complaining that they can't customise the shortcuts, and the default isn't the key they want to use. :laugh:


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      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

        Kevin Marois wrote:

        It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

        But then you'll get people complaining that they can't customise the shortcuts, and the default isn't the key they want to use. :laugh:


        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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        Kevin Marois
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        Agreed. And I have no problem with allowing customization... But out of the box it should be the same.

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          Agreed. And I have no problem with allowing customization... But out of the box it should be the same.

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          Richard Deeming
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          Well, according to Microsoft, it is:

          Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio[^]:

          Debug.Restart: Ctrl+Shift+F5 Debug.Start: F5 Debug.StartWithoutDebugging: Ctrl+F5 Debug.StopDebugging: Shift+F5

          Have you picked a different keyboard mapping scheme?


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          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

            Well, according to Microsoft, it is:

            Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio[^]:

            Debug.Restart: Ctrl+Shift+F5 Debug.Start: F5 Debug.StartWithoutDebugging: Ctrl+F5 Debug.StopDebugging: Shift+F5

            Have you picked a different keyboard mapping scheme?


            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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            Kevin Marois
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            I've never changed it on any installation

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              I've never changed it on any installation

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              Nathan Minier
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              That would be a hysterical GPO, just to mess with the devs.

              "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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              • N Nathan Minier

                That would be a hysterical GPO, just to mess with the devs.

                "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                Kevin Marois
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                Well, it's working

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                • K Kevin Marois

                  I've never changed it on any installation

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                  Richard Deeming
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                  You should probably report it to Microsoft as a bug, then. :)


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                  • M Matthew Dennis

                    In VS2017, prior to 15.2, Start Page was under the View menu. Now its under the File menu. I don't want to File the Start Page, I want to view it.

                    "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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                    Brisingr Aerowing
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                    Tools > Customize Just sayin'.

                    What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                      Well, according to Microsoft, it is:

                      Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio[^]:

                      Debug.Restart: Ctrl+Shift+F5 Debug.Start: F5 Debug.StartWithoutDebugging: Ctrl+F5 Debug.StopDebugging: Shift+F5

                      Have you picked a different keyboard mapping scheme?


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      Kevin Marois
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                      Here's another great change - at least in my VS installations... Create a class and add an interface (eg ": IMyInterface").. Used to be you could Right Click on the interface name and choose Implement Interface. Now, you have highlight the interface name and choose "CTRL+." - ya, that's intuitive. In VS2017 (Maybe 15 too) a dialog opens which is fine, but the control to open it went from RC'ing to "CTRL+." I mean, really?????

                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                        Tools > Customize Just sayin'.

                        What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                        Kevin Marois
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                        The point here is that for default installations both Richard and I are seeing different defaults.

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                        • K Kevin Marois

                          Here's another great change - at least in my VS installations... Create a class and add an interface (eg ": IMyInterface").. Used to be you could Right Click on the interface name and choose Implement Interface. Now, you have highlight the interface name and choose "CTRL+." - ya, that's intuitive. In VS2017 (Maybe 15 too) a dialog opens which is fine, but the control to open it went from RC'ing to "CTRL+." I mean, really?????

                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                          Richard Deeming
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                          I use R#, so it's always Alt+Enter. :D I guess they switched to Ctrl+. when they moved to Roslyn (VS2015), and dramatically increased the number of built-in refactorings.


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                          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                            Well, according to Microsoft, it is:

                            Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio[^]:

                            Debug.Restart: Ctrl+Shift+F5 Debug.Start: F5 Debug.StartWithoutDebugging: Ctrl+F5 Debug.StopDebugging: Shift+F5

                            Have you picked a different keyboard mapping scheme?


                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                            Roland M Smith
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                            They are talking about compiling not debug. I have VS 2012 and Build Solution is F7 and Compile is Ctrl-F7.

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                            • R Roland M Smith

                              They are talking about compiling not debug. I have VS 2012 and Build Solution is F7 and Compile is Ctrl-F7.

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                              Kevin Marois
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                              Compile. And you just proved my point. Where did F7 come from???

                              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                              • K Kevin Marois

                                The point here is that for default installations both Richard and I are seeing different defaults.

                                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                Lost User
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                                Maybe it differs from US to UK keyboards?

                                In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

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                                  Maybe it differs from US to UK keyboards?

                                  In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

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                                  Kevin Marois
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                                  Could be, because the Brit's say "F5" and "F6" differently than us yanks ;P ;P ;P

                                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                  • K Kevin Marois

                                    Richard Deeming wrote:

                                    It's always been F5 for me. And Ctrl+Shift+F5 is bound to the "Debug.Restart" command.

                                    Well you just validated my grievance. Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                    ZurdoDev
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                                    Kevin Marois wrote:

                                    Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                                    When you first start up Visual Studio it asks what settings you want to use, C#, VB.Net, etc. That will initially set your shortcut keys as well.

                                    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                      Kevin Marois wrote:

                                      Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                                      But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


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                                      GenJerDan
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                                      That's Build & Run. I think he wants to just build it, and then go home without seeing if it actually works.

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                                      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                        Kevin Marois wrote:

                                        Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                                        But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


                                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Where did you get that from? F5 has always been "start with debugging", Ctrl+F5 "start without debugging. F6 switch windows, F7 Compile, build etc.

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                                        • K Kevin Marois

                                          For you it is. It's F6 on my Home PC and both my work PC's. And the other Dev's here say the same. That right there is my point. It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

                                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                          No it's F7. F6 is for switching Windows.

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