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  • K Kevin Marois

    Here's another great change - at least in my VS installations... Create a class and add an interface (eg ": IMyInterface").. Used to be you could Right Click on the interface name and choose Implement Interface. Now, you have highlight the interface name and choose "CTRL+." - ya, that's intuitive. In VS2017 (Maybe 15 too) a dialog opens which is fine, but the control to open it went from RC'ing to "CTRL+." I mean, really?????

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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    Richard Deeming
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    I use R#, so it's always Alt+Enter. :D I guess they switched to Ctrl+. when they moved to Roslyn (VS2015), and dramatically increased the number of built-in refactorings.


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    • B Brisingr Aerowing

      Tools > Customize Just sayin'.

      What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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      Kevin Marois
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      The point here is that for default installations both Richard and I are seeing different defaults.

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

        Well, according to Microsoft, it is:

        Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio[^]:

        Debug.Restart: Ctrl+Shift+F5 Debug.Start: F5 Debug.StartWithoutDebugging: Ctrl+F5 Debug.StopDebugging: Shift+F5

        Have you picked a different keyboard mapping scheme?


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        Roland M Smith
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        They are talking about compiling not debug. I have VS 2012 and Build Solution is F7 and Compile is Ctrl-F7.

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        • R Roland M Smith

          They are talking about compiling not debug. I have VS 2012 and Build Solution is F7 and Compile is Ctrl-F7.

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          Kevin Marois
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          Compile. And you just proved my point. Where did F7 come from???

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          • K Kevin Marois

            The point here is that for default installations both Richard and I are seeing different defaults.

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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            Lost User
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            Maybe it differs from US to UK keyboards?

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              Maybe it differs from US to UK keyboards?

              In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

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              Kevin Marois
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              Could be, because the Brit's say "F5" and "F6" differently than us yanks ;P ;P ;P

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              • K Kevin Marois

                Richard Deeming wrote:

                It's always been F5 for me. And Ctrl+Shift+F5 is bound to the "Debug.Restart" command.

                Well you just validated my grievance. Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                ZurdoDev
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                Kevin Marois wrote:

                Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                When you first start up Visual Studio it asks what settings you want to use, C#, VB.Net, etc. That will initially set your shortcut keys as well.

                There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                  Kevin Marois wrote:

                  Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                  But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


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                  GenJerDan
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                  That's Build & Run. I think he wants to just build it, and then go home without seeing if it actually works.

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                  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                    Kevin Marois wrote:

                    Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                    But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


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                    Lost User
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                    Where did you get that from? F5 has always been "start with debugging", Ctrl+F5 "start without debugging. F6 switch windows, F7 Compile, build etc.

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                    • K Kevin Marois

                      For you it is. It's F6 on my Home PC and both my work PC's. And the other Dev's here say the same. That right there is my point. It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                      Lost User
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                      No it's F7. F6 is for switching Windows.

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                      • K Kevin Marois

                        For you it is. It's F6 on my Home PC and both my work PC's. And the other Dev's here say the same. That right there is my point. It should be the same for ALL Visual Studio installations everywhere.

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                        Gary Huck
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                        Whether or not you're debugging: F6 - compile F5 - compile and run I hit F6 often - don't always need to run but I do it just to save files and make sure I didn't miss something that won't compile.

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                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                          Kevin Marois wrote:

                          Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                          But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


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                          kristopher baker
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                          F5 is Run over here. F6 is Build. I've bound SHIFT+F6 to ReBuild.

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                          • K Kevin Marois

                            I hear ya. That is one of my biggest gripes with MS. FFS STOP MOVING THINGS AROUND!!! One that REALLLLLLLLLY bugs me is they change the keyboard shortcuts to compile. In VS2016 it was F6, then in 2015 it was CTRL+SHITF+F6 something else, now in my version 2017 it's back to F6. As far as the Start Page... I hear a lot of ppl say they disable it. I can't understand why. If the feeds are too slow then turn them off, but the MRU list and Project Options are useful. And, in 2010 MS provided a WPF Start Page template which MS hasn't upgraded since. I once created a really useful start page but I can't now upgrade it.

                            If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                            sibling123
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                            Concerning the Keyboard shortcuts: It looks like you somehow had a different keyboard mapping scheme in VS 2015. You can change this in Tools -> Options... -> Environment -> Keyboard. The Mapping with Build on F6 is called Visual C# 2005. As I recall in older VS installation you were asked what main language you were going to use and based on that the keyboard mapping was chosen.

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                            • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                              Kevin Marois wrote:

                              Should't the option to Compile be the same regardless of version?

                              But it is: it's F5, and it always has been, in every version of Visual Studio I can remember, at least since "Visual Studio .NET" in 2002. :confused: EDIT: Correction - F5 is Debug.Start. Build.Compile is Ctrl+F7, and Build.BuildSolution is Ctrl+Shift+B. Default Keyboard Shortcuts in Visual Studio | Microsoft Docs[^] The VS2012 version of the documentation[^] shows how the mapping (used to?) differ depending on which scheme you selected when you first started Visual Studio.


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                              Alister Morton
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                              Except for me it's F7 build ctrl-F7 compile F5 - run, and has been since before the millenium. F10 step over, F11 step in ... you get the drill :-)

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                              • M Matthew Dennis

                                In VS2017, prior to 15.2, Start Page was under the View menu. Now its under the File menu. I don't want to File the Start Page, I want to view it.

                                "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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                                Bruce Patin
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                                I never have this problem, because I always use the menus. That way, I don't have to worry about which IDE I'm in or have to remember shortcuts. Ctrl-X,C,V are the only shortcuts that I ever use. They even work in Linux.

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                                • K Kevin Marois

                                  Compile. And you just proved my point. Where did F7 come from???

                                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                  Wearwolf
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                                  Build Solution is Ctrl+Shift+B in 2015 and 2017 for me. Check your "Additional Keyboard mapping scheme" option under Options/Environment/Keyboard. If I have Visual C# 2005 selected it adds F6 If I have Visual C++ 2 selected it adds Shift+F8 Visual C++ 6 adds F7

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                                  • K Kevin Marois

                                    I hear ya. That is one of my biggest gripes with MS. FFS STOP MOVING THINGS AROUND!!! One that REALLLLLLLLLY bugs me is they change the keyboard shortcuts to compile. In VS2016 it was F6, then in 2015 it was CTRL+SHITF+F6 something else, now in my version 2017 it's back to F6. As far as the Start Page... I hear a lot of ppl say they disable it. I can't understand why. If the feeds are too slow then turn them off, but the MRU list and Project Options are useful. And, in 2010 MS provided a WPF Start Page template which MS hasn't upgraded since. I once created a really useful start page but I can't now upgrade it.

                                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                    Daniel Wilianto
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                                    If it's shortcut, you can modify them yourself easily... In Options menu.

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