US presidential election..
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Vunic wrote:
All these happen in a week?
You would be surprised what can be done in just one day :sigh: :sigh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I'm talking about the Robots paratrooping into the field and firing employees in a week. It should be a gradual process done over a period of time.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I'm talking about the Robots paratrooping into the field and firing employees in a week. It should be a gradual process done over a period of time.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
And I am talking about saying "bank notes of XXX" are not valid anymore from one day to the next. If the ones in charge don't give a ----- (censored, we are not in the soapbox) about the people... what is so surprising?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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And I am talking about saying "bank notes of XXX" are not valid anymore from one day to the next. If the ones in charge don't give a ----- (censored, we are not in the soapbox) about the people... what is so surprising?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
:laugh: Correct. And they go on increasing Govt. pay scale tossing up the parity in society between Govt & private workers. But the crap all happened because of this so called instant Indian IT boom that started in late 1990s. IT pays were so high & everyone started buying Flats,properties & switched to lavish life style. This kicked up the inflation fixing ridiculous price tags on anything in the city. Govt took steps to maintain the parity with Govt employees. 5th pay commission, 6th, 7th & so on. Now the lowest possible class worker in Govt sector is getting paid better than a so called mid level "techie" in IT. And the bubble is just burst they are gonna get pushed to the 1990's salaries. But Govt is all up to announce the next pay commission. Well done!
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Was more of a TV Flash news when the election winner was announced. But it has taken its time to come around & hit the target somewhere else that nobody predicted it would happen so soon. Now some of my friends are becoming victims of these[^] May be Trump should have done a more balanced schemes than affecting so many families in India all of a sudden. :~
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India. India won't be the first or the last nation to do this, but this it how it works: 1) A government decides that career area X (in this case IT) is THE FUTURE. 2) A government tells just about every youngster in the nation that career area X is THE FUTURE and it's what they should be doing with their lives regardless of personal aptitude. 3) In order to facilitate this, the government creates an education system for are X and scales it up to a size that cannot possibly work. 4) The bloated education system spews out millions of graduates - a large proportion of them knowing sweet FA about area X because they've been taught so badly. 5) The nation finds itself with an industry that has become fattened to a ridiculous extent by people who would be far better suited to doing other things. 6) The industry soon gets to a point where the only advantage it has is that is cheap. 7) This attracts custom for a while but people soon realise that it's a false economy as they get far better value when paying more to companies in countries where that sector has grown in a more organic way. 8) Orders dry up and those poor souls that have been shoe-horned into the industry are the ones that suffer - along with their families. It's known as putting all your eggs in one basket and is a classic recipe for a "boom and bust" scenario. Pumping such a large proportion of your resources into one sector is always going to be a high risk strategy and one that's not likely to end happily in the long run. It certainly isn't the fault of other nations when it all goes horribly wrong.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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:laugh: Correct. And they go on increasing Govt. pay scale tossing up the parity in society between Govt & private workers. But the crap all happened because of this so called instant Indian IT boom that started in late 1990s. IT pays were so high & everyone started buying Flats,properties & switched to lavish life style. This kicked up the inflation fixing ridiculous price tags on anything in the city. Govt took steps to maintain the parity with Govt employees. 5th pay commission, 6th, 7th & so on. Now the lowest possible class worker in Govt sector is getting paid better than a so called mid level "techie" in IT. And the bubble is just burst they are gonna get pushed to the 1990's salaries. But Govt is all up to announce the next pay commission. Well done!
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
Very true. I'm impressed by the level of information you have.:thumbsup:
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning
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Very true. I'm impressed by the level of information you have.:thumbsup:
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning
Actually not real information needed, just common sense ;P :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Bit soapbox but I'll bite: "Indians do not steal jobs, but rather create new jobs. Indian IT companies have created as many 400,000 jobs abroad..." that's the people needed people to fix the shite these guys put out...
We didn't need to hire to fix the made-in-India software. It was tossed out for the junk it was. Then they got more (there's a special depth in hell for management) - and that took months to make even usable (not my job, this time). One of the problems: all the "textbook quality" development is just that. So in the real world it falls flat because textbook solutions are only idealized. And they can be created by another application, anyway - so the drones aren't needed. This is not to say there are no good excellent developers in India! But when you outsource to a mill you get mill-work.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India. India won't be the first or the last nation to do this, but this it how it works: 1) A government decides that career area X (in this case IT) is THE FUTURE. 2) A government tells just about every youngster in the nation that career area X is THE FUTURE and it's what they should be doing with their lives regardless of personal aptitude. 3) In order to facilitate this, the government creates an education system for are X and scales it up to a size that cannot possibly work. 4) The bloated education system spews out millions of graduates - a large proportion of them knowing sweet FA about area X because they've been taught so badly. 5) The nation finds itself with an industry that has become fattened to a ridiculous extent by people who would be far better suited to doing other things. 6) The industry soon gets to a point where the only advantage it has is that is cheap. 7) This attracts custom for a while but people soon realise that it's a false economy as they get far better value when paying more to companies in countries where that sector has grown in a more organic way. 8) Orders dry up and those poor souls that have been shoe-horned into the industry are the ones that suffer - along with their families. It's known as putting all your eggs in one basket and is a classic recipe for a "boom and bust" scenario. Pumping such a large proportion of your resources into one sector is always going to be a high risk strategy and one that's not likely to end happily in the long run. It certainly isn't the fault of other nations when it all goes horribly wrong.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
PeejayAdams wrote:
I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India.
Always popular to find a scape-goat. Human nature is dependable that way.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India. India won't be the first or the last nation to do this, but this it how it works: 1) A government decides that career area X (in this case IT) is THE FUTURE. 2) A government tells just about every youngster in the nation that career area X is THE FUTURE and it's what they should be doing with their lives regardless of personal aptitude. 3) In order to facilitate this, the government creates an education system for are X and scales it up to a size that cannot possibly work. 4) The bloated education system spews out millions of graduates - a large proportion of them knowing sweet FA about area X because they've been taught so badly. 5) The nation finds itself with an industry that has become fattened to a ridiculous extent by people who would be far better suited to doing other things. 6) The industry soon gets to a point where the only advantage it has is that is cheap. 7) This attracts custom for a while but people soon realise that it's a false economy as they get far better value when paying more to companies in countries where that sector has grown in a more organic way. 8) Orders dry up and those poor souls that have been shoe-horned into the industry are the ones that suffer - along with their families. It's known as putting all your eggs in one basket and is a classic recipe for a "boom and bust" scenario. Pumping such a large proportion of your resources into one sector is always going to be a high risk strategy and one that's not likely to end happily in the long run. It certainly isn't the fault of other nations when it all goes horribly wrong.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Very true. I'm impressed by the level of information you have.:thumbsup:
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning
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PeejayAdams wrote:
I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India.
Always popular to find a scape-goat. Human nature is dependable that way.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Agreed. The rules of engagement for handling problems (in large corporations and all governments): 1. Before working on the problem, we must establish blame. 2. See #1.
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement. In the end, you ignore everything and click "I agree". Anonymous
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Was more of a TV Flash news when the election winner was announced. But it has taken its time to come around & hit the target somewhere else that nobody predicted it would happen so soon. Now some of my friends are becoming victims of these[^] May be Trump should have done a more balanced schemes than affecting so many families in India all of a sudden. :~
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
> the actual job cuts will be between 1.75 lakh and 2 lakh per year in next three years, Time to educate the ignorant (namely me). What's a "lakh"? Ah, good old Google. a hundred thousand. Yikes! Marc
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I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India. India won't be the first or the last nation to do this, but this it how it works: 1) A government decides that career area X (in this case IT) is THE FUTURE. 2) A government tells just about every youngster in the nation that career area X is THE FUTURE and it's what they should be doing with their lives regardless of personal aptitude. 3) In order to facilitate this, the government creates an education system for are X and scales it up to a size that cannot possibly work. 4) The bloated education system spews out millions of graduates - a large proportion of them knowing sweet FA about area X because they've been taught so badly. 5) The nation finds itself with an industry that has become fattened to a ridiculous extent by people who would be far better suited to doing other things. 6) The industry soon gets to a point where the only advantage it has is that is cheap. 7) This attracts custom for a while but people soon realise that it's a false economy as they get far better value when paying more to companies in countries where that sector has grown in a more organic way. 8) Orders dry up and those poor souls that have been shoe-horned into the industry are the ones that suffer - along with their families. It's known as putting all your eggs in one basket and is a classic recipe for a "boom and bust" scenario. Pumping such a large proportion of your resources into one sector is always going to be a high risk strategy and one that's not likely to end happily in the long run. It certainly isn't the fault of other nations when it all goes horribly wrong.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Well, to be fair to India, American companies that don't really care about the quality of their products (of which there are plenty) would still be more than happy to throw money at the bloated Indian IT sector, except for The Orange One who is scared of brown people so has made life very difficult for them to get that money by deporting the "undesirables", and making noises about significant cutbacks in H1B. So while you are not wrong, I think Mr. Trump has accelerated the bust half of the boom-and-bust cycle you speak of.
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> the actual job cuts will be between 1.75 lakh and 2 lakh per year in next three years, Time to educate the ignorant (namely me). What's a "lakh"? Ah, good old Google. a hundred thousand. Yikes! Marc
Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Well, to be fair to India, American companies that don't really care about the quality of their products (of which there are plenty) would still be more than happy to throw money at the bloated Indian IT sector, except for The Orange One who is scared of brown people so has made life very difficult for them to get that money by deporting the "undesirables", and making noises about significant cutbacks in H1B. So while you are not wrong, I think Mr. Trump has accelerated the bust half of the boom-and-bust cycle you speak of.
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Was more of a TV Flash news when the election winner was announced. But it has taken its time to come around & hit the target somewhere else that nobody predicted it would happen so soon. Now some of my friends are becoming victims of these[^] May be Trump should have done a more balanced schemes than affecting so many families in India all of a sudden. :~
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
Vunic wrote:
May be Trump should have done a more balanced schemes than affecting so many families in India all of a sudden.
Uhm, why would the US president need to worry about people in India? :)
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> the actual job cuts will be between 1.75 lakh and 2 lakh per year in next three years, Time to educate the ignorant (namely me). What's a "lakh"? Ah, good old Google. a hundred thousand. Yikes! Marc
Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
200,000 has to be taken in the context of India having 1.3 billion people.
Nish Nishant Consultant Software Architect Ganymede Software Solutions LLC www.ganymedesoftwaresolutions.com
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Bit soapbox but I'll bite: "Indians do not steal jobs, but rather create new jobs. Indian IT companies have created as many 400,000 jobs abroad..." that's the people needed people to fix the shite these guys put out...
Yeah I am sorry, but a disagree. STRONGLY! The indian low cost outsourcing triggered a race to the bottom. I don't know how it is in the US, but here in Canada there are many indian companies with a small sales office in Canada and a huge development team in India. These guys dump on the IT market first and then do not deliver. I get routinely spammed by them with some offers about 3 to 6 months contracts to fix their crap. I want them all, those companies to go away. Good riddance.
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Was more of a TV Flash news when the election winner was announced. But it has taken its time to come around & hit the target somewhere else that nobody predicted it would happen so soon. Now some of my friends are becoming victims of these[^] May be Trump should have done a more balanced schemes than affecting so many families in India all of a sudden. :~
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
You left out an important part from the article: > due to under-preparedness in adapting to newer technologies This is a rapidly-changing field where the players know they have to adapt or die. This is nothing new, and I don't think any politician can be blamed for that. In fact I'd think politicians are holding back the pace of the industry--how many government departments are still running XP machines?
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I don't think that there's anything here to blame on the USA, this is entirely down to India. India won't be the first or the last nation to do this, but this it how it works: 1) A government decides that career area X (in this case IT) is THE FUTURE. 2) A government tells just about every youngster in the nation that career area X is THE FUTURE and it's what they should be doing with their lives regardless of personal aptitude. 3) In order to facilitate this, the government creates an education system for are X and scales it up to a size that cannot possibly work. 4) The bloated education system spews out millions of graduates - a large proportion of them knowing sweet FA about area X because they've been taught so badly. 5) The nation finds itself with an industry that has become fattened to a ridiculous extent by people who would be far better suited to doing other things. 6) The industry soon gets to a point where the only advantage it has is that is cheap. 7) This attracts custom for a while but people soon realise that it's a false economy as they get far better value when paying more to companies in countries where that sector has grown in a more organic way. 8) Orders dry up and those poor souls that have been shoe-horned into the industry are the ones that suffer - along with their families. It's known as putting all your eggs in one basket and is a classic recipe for a "boom and bust" scenario. Pumping such a large proportion of your resources into one sector is always going to be a high risk strategy and one that's not likely to end happily in the long run. It certainly isn't the fault of other nations when it all goes horribly wrong.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
+5. I have been thinking about this, and I think also mentioned this logic a couple of times on CP in some posts that started off badgering all indian programmers. In a way this might not be all that bad for India. I think we have grown a great deal economically since, and mostly due to, the IT boom(s). I have noticed a change in outlook here lately and see a lot of people shift from IT to things they actually like doing. This has happened mostly due the changes in lifestyle that the technology business has brought in. - People earn more and so are financially more secure than they were before. - Equally important, I think, is that indians have travelled outside India through their companies and that has caused a cultural shift. More and more people realize that there's more to life than 'getting a job'. Although this change is still only in the bigger cities, but it would be highly improbable to expect the IT wave to change the fortunes of over a billion people. All in all, to look on the bright side, hopefully most of those who do get laid off are the ones who aren't meant to be programmers, and hopefully they do find their calling and end up being happy.
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