Do you want some cheese with that whine?
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With all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP, let us not forget what Microsoft provides totally free of charge: 1. Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017, arguably the world's premier IDE for developers. Seven years ago you could get a free copy of VS 2010 Express, that had limited functionality, but the free Community Edition of 2017 has full functionality. 2. For twelve months anyone could get a free upgrade for all operating systems after Vista to Windows 10. If you did not upgrade you did so at your own peril. More than 90% of machines that were affected by the Wanna Cry virus were running Windows 7. No Windows 10 systems were affected. If you did not upgrade, why didn't you? 3. All security patches for Windows are free. Weeks before the Wanna Cry outbreak, Microsoft made available a free patch to plug the vulnerability in Windows 7 that was exploited by the virus. Apparently thousands around the globe failed to install the patch and paid the price. Don't blame Microsoft! 4. I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system! Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there? I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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With all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP, let us not forget what Microsoft provides totally free of charge: 1. Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017, arguably the world's premier IDE for developers. Seven years ago you could get a free copy of VS 2010 Express, that had limited functionality, but the free Community Edition of 2017 has full functionality. 2. For twelve months anyone could get a free upgrade for all operating systems after Vista to Windows 10. If you did not upgrade you did so at your own peril. More than 90% of machines that were affected by the Wanna Cry virus were running Windows 7. No Windows 10 systems were affected. If you did not upgrade, why didn't you? 3. All security patches for Windows are free. Weeks before the Wanna Cry outbreak, Microsoft made available a free patch to plug the vulnerability in Windows 7 that was exploited by the virus. Apparently thousands around the globe failed to install the patch and paid the price. Don't blame Microsoft! 4. I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system! Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there? I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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And btw, I think most of us will fighting with updating a simple app, while MS manages meanwhile very good to upgrade an OS. Only my quarter of a a half pence :laugh:
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With all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP, let us not forget what Microsoft provides totally free of charge: 1. Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017, arguably the world's premier IDE for developers. Seven years ago you could get a free copy of VS 2010 Express, that had limited functionality, but the free Community Edition of 2017 has full functionality. 2. For twelve months anyone could get a free upgrade for all operating systems after Vista to Windows 10. If you did not upgrade you did so at your own peril. More than 90% of machines that were affected by the Wanna Cry virus were running Windows 7. No Windows 10 systems were affected. If you did not upgrade, why didn't you? 3. All security patches for Windows are free. Weeks before the Wanna Cry outbreak, Microsoft made available a free patch to plug the vulnerability in Windows 7 that was exploited by the virus. Apparently thousands around the globe failed to install the patch and paid the price. Don't blame Microsoft! 4. I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system! Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there? I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Cornelius Henning wrote:
I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
And which religion would that belief represent? MS bashing has been the standard for every hobbyist since the early nineties, because it made them look knowledgable. I'd guess they continued to do so in the professional career.
Cornelius Henning wrote:
I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system!
I did! Doesn't mean I won't be touching Windows no more, on the contrary.
Cornelius Henning wrote:
Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there?
The "best" for whom, under what conditions? If I owned a large company, then Windows would be the only logical choise, regardless of my personal preferences. Though the Commodore Amiga is still the superiour machine, in both hard- and software, I do realize that most bussiness (=mostly MS related) software won't be compatible. If you want to complain about something MS, then complain about the managers who fail to adhere to the UxGuide. The reason Windows comes without a manual (contrary to DOS) is that it is intuitive, and has some COMMON CONTROLS. Things that are recognizable as buttons (which means the user knows where to click) and listboxes (which work the same in every app!). Nowadays you have to hover your mouse over the entire screen, looking for hidden buttons and pop-ins/overs/outs. For most of the complaining people: you'd whish you'd be half a MS. Go look at your stocks and realize you're not. --edit A pinot noire with gruyere please :)
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Cornelius Henning wrote:
I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
And which religion would that belief represent? MS bashing has been the standard for every hobbyist since the early nineties, because it made them look knowledgable. I'd guess they continued to do so in the professional career.
Cornelius Henning wrote:
I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system!
I did! Doesn't mean I won't be touching Windows no more, on the contrary.
Cornelius Henning wrote:
Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there?
The "best" for whom, under what conditions? If I owned a large company, then Windows would be the only logical choise, regardless of my personal preferences. Though the Commodore Amiga is still the superiour machine, in both hard- and software, I do realize that most bussiness (=mostly MS related) software won't be compatible. If you want to complain about something MS, then complain about the managers who fail to adhere to the UxGuide. The reason Windows comes without a manual (contrary to DOS) is that it is intuitive, and has some COMMON CONTROLS. Things that are recognizable as buttons (which means the user knows where to click) and listboxes (which work the same in every app!). Nowadays you have to hover your mouse over the entire screen, looking for hidden buttons and pop-ins/overs/outs. For most of the complaining people: you'd whish you'd be half a MS. Go look at your stocks and realize you're not. --edit A pinot noire with gruyere please :)
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A pinot noire with gruyere please
Try Porto whith cheese or maybe strange on a first Trial [Biscotti with Sweet Wine Recipe | Leite's Culinaria](http://leitesculinaria.com/87786/recipes-biscotti-sweet-wine.html) but lovely :)
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A pinot noire with gruyere please
Try Porto whith cheese or maybe strange on a first Trial [Biscotti with Sweet Wine Recipe | Leite's Culinaria](http://leitesculinaria.com/87786/recipes-biscotti-sweet-wine.html) but lovely :)
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With all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP, let us not forget what Microsoft provides totally free of charge: 1. Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017, arguably the world's premier IDE for developers. Seven years ago you could get a free copy of VS 2010 Express, that had limited functionality, but the free Community Edition of 2017 has full functionality. 2. For twelve months anyone could get a free upgrade for all operating systems after Vista to Windows 10. If you did not upgrade you did so at your own peril. More than 90% of machines that were affected by the Wanna Cry virus were running Windows 7. No Windows 10 systems were affected. If you did not upgrade, why didn't you? 3. All security patches for Windows are free. Weeks before the Wanna Cry outbreak, Microsoft made available a free patch to plug the vulnerability in Windows 7 that was exploited by the virus. Apparently thousands around the globe failed to install the patch and paid the price. Don't blame Microsoft! 4. I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system! Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there? I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Ok, I'll bite. Why did Windows 10 not allow the WannaCry virus to encrypt 10? This is a tech board so it's ok to talk nuts and bolts. I don't believe it for a second. Any virus who's payload is in a FedEx exe for example is OS agnostic and will run through the libraries on that PC and encrypt everything. Sure maybe because SMB1 is up to date on 10 it didn't spread from there to neighboring devices but that's only a nicety. I have seen many windows 10 machine encrypted with ransomware before this latest outbreak btw. The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
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With all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP, let us not forget what Microsoft provides totally free of charge: 1. Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017, arguably the world's premier IDE for developers. Seven years ago you could get a free copy of VS 2010 Express, that had limited functionality, but the free Community Edition of 2017 has full functionality. 2. For twelve months anyone could get a free upgrade for all operating systems after Vista to Windows 10. If you did not upgrade you did so at your own peril. More than 90% of machines that were affected by the Wanna Cry virus were running Windows 7. No Windows 10 systems were affected. If you did not upgrade, why didn't you? 3. All security patches for Windows are free. Weeks before the Wanna Cry outbreak, Microsoft made available a free patch to plug the vulnerability in Windows 7 that was exploited by the virus. Apparently thousands around the globe failed to install the patch and paid the price. Don't blame Microsoft! 4. I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system! Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there? I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
It's a complicated one... Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's good: in the last century you could get free wine if you went along to a time share meeting. That didn't mean it was a good idea to go at all! Win 10 splits opinion, probably because it's something of a mess. MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles. Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS, and what they left to support desktop users hurt it as a mobile OS - try it on a tablet and you'll see what I mean; it's not not "together" as a mobile OS in the same way that Android (and even iOS) are (the soft keyboard alone is a PITA which eats half your screen!) And when you compare it's schizophrenia with Win7 which was "together" as a OS it just looks worse and can be very frustrating for "normal" users. Try working with the Settings app and you'll soon find yourself back at Control Panel! Don't get me wrong: I'm using it, both desktop and on the WookieTab. But as a desktop OS user experience, Win 7 was better. And as a mobile OS, it's far, far short of Android in many ways. What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile, without all the legacy support they have to have in desktop. It might even have got them significant mobile sales...
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Ok, I'll bite. Why did Windows 10 not allow the WannaCry virus to encrypt 10? This is a tech board so it's ok to talk nuts and bolts. I don't believe it for a second. Any virus who's payload is in a FedEx exe for example is OS agnostic and will run through the libraries on that PC and encrypt everything. Sure maybe because SMB1 is up to date on 10 it didn't spread from there to neighboring devices but that's only a nicety. I have seen many windows 10 machine encrypted with ransomware before this latest outbreak btw. The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why did Windows 10 not allow the WannaCry virus to encrypt 10? This is a tech board so it's ok to talk nuts and bolts. I don't believe it for a second. Any virus who's payload is in a FedEx exe for example is OS agnostic and will run through the libraries on that PC and encrypt everything. Sure maybe because SMB1 is up to date on 10 it didn't spread from there to neighboring devices but that's only a nicety. I have seen many windows 10 machine encrypted with ransomware before this latest outbreak btw. The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
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The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
I was specifically referring to the Wanna Cry ransom virus. Windows 10 does not have the vulnerability that is exploited by that particular virus. Yes, it does not mean that 10 is immune to all versions of ransomware. You still have to take some basic precautions, even with 10!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
I was specifically referring to the Wanna Cry ransom virus. Windows 10 does not have the vulnerability that is exploited by that particular virus. Yes, it does not mean that 10 is immune to all versions of ransomware. You still have to take some basic precautions, even with 10!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Tell us why that is please.
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It's a complicated one... Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's good: in the last century you could get free wine if you went along to a time share meeting. That didn't mean it was a good idea to go at all! Win 10 splits opinion, probably because it's something of a mess. MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles. Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS, and what they left to support desktop users hurt it as a mobile OS - try it on a tablet and you'll see what I mean; it's not not "together" as a mobile OS in the same way that Android (and even iOS) are (the soft keyboard alone is a PITA which eats half your screen!) And when you compare it's schizophrenia with Win7 which was "together" as a OS it just looks worse and can be very frustrating for "normal" users. Try working with the Settings app and you'll soon find yourself back at Control Panel! Don't get me wrong: I'm using it, both desktop and on the WookieTab. But as a desktop OS user experience, Win 7 was better. And as a mobile OS, it's far, far short of Android in many ways. What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile, without all the legacy support they have to have in desktop. It might even have got them significant mobile sales...
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You do raise some good points, thanks! However, I believe the "ugliness" stems from Microsoft's own guidelines for the visual appearance of productivity apps. Their guidelines make for some very bland and uninteresting users' interfaces. Personally, I do think they take the UI guidelines too far, but that is not reason enough to shoot down the entire OS. I have been using 10 for more than a year now, and on the whole I am happy with it.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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It's a complicated one... Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's good: in the last century you could get free wine if you went along to a time share meeting. That didn't mean it was a good idea to go at all! Win 10 splits opinion, probably because it's something of a mess. MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles. Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS, and what they left to support desktop users hurt it as a mobile OS - try it on a tablet and you'll see what I mean; it's not not "together" as a mobile OS in the same way that Android (and even iOS) are (the soft keyboard alone is a PITA which eats half your screen!) And when you compare it's schizophrenia with Win7 which was "together" as a OS it just looks worse and can be very frustrating for "normal" users. Try working with the Settings app and you'll soon find yourself back at Control Panel! Don't get me wrong: I'm using it, both desktop and on the WookieTab. But as a desktop OS user experience, Win 7 was better. And as a mobile OS, it's far, far short of Android in many ways. What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile, without all the legacy support they have to have in desktop. It might even have got them significant mobile sales...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS
OriginalGriff wrote:
What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile,
Or, if they'd just done a "responsive" UI that knew you were running a desktop and didn't want the Mobile features then that even would've helped a lot. However, I believe they wanted to force people to the new UX because they knew there would be people who would never change and that would force them to to do more work in perpetuity. Also, they know, "Hey, if we anger most of the people most of the time, there will still be some of the people who aren't angered. And, not all of the people are angered all the time." It's a win! :~
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The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
I was specifically referring to the Wanna Cry ransom virus. Windows 10 does not have the vulnerability that is exploited by that particular virus. Yes, it does not mean that 10 is immune to all versions of ransomware. You still have to take some basic precautions, even with 10!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Cornelius Henning wrote:
Windows 10 does not have the vulnerability that is exploited by that particular virus
I'm gonna have to call you out on this, not for the sake of telling you you're wrong, but for the sake of others who might read this claim and think they're inherently protected. There was an SMB patch for Windows 10 that first came out in March that took care of this problem. The Creators Update for Windows 10 that came out in March (which brings its build number to 1703) was already patched out of the gate so it was never vulnerable, but if you are on 1607, 1511 or 1507 and haven't installed any of the cumulative updates that predate that, that machine is vulnerable. See the table [here](https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/MS17-010). Notice the section on Windows 10. Also see [this](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4023262/how-to-verify-that-ms17-010-is-installed), which describes a couple of methods to verify whether a machine is properly patched or not. Notice the sections that cover Windows 10 TH1 and 2 ("Threshold" = 1507 and 1511) and RS1 ("Redstone" = 1607).
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With all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP, let us not forget what Microsoft provides totally free of charge: 1. Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017, arguably the world's premier IDE for developers. Seven years ago you could get a free copy of VS 2010 Express, that had limited functionality, but the free Community Edition of 2017 has full functionality. 2. For twelve months anyone could get a free upgrade for all operating systems after Vista to Windows 10. If you did not upgrade you did so at your own peril. More than 90% of machines that were affected by the Wanna Cry virus were running Windows 7. No Windows 10 systems were affected. If you did not upgrade, why didn't you? 3. All security patches for Windows are free. Weeks before the Wanna Cry outbreak, Microsoft made available a free patch to plug the vulnerability in Windows 7 that was exploited by the virus. Apparently thousands around the globe failed to install the patch and paid the price. Don't blame Microsoft! 4. I see some contributors refer to Windows as an inferior OS. If that is your opinion, switch to another system! Or do you secretly know that Windows is the best operating system out there? I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Cornelius Henning wrote:
will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority
:thumbsup: Count me in. I've been on 10 for almost 2 years and consider it to be the best OS I've used to date. (now if I could just get a grip on the unattended restarts) I've made a great career using MS technologies! I may complain occasionally, but acknowledge that overall these technologies (for the most part) have improved over the years while costing less or even becoming free.
Cornelius Henning wrote:
all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP
This imho is all due to the number of devs using MS/Windows over other OS's...unless I'm to assume that the 'others' are so good and problem free that there's nothing to complain about. At any rate, it would make a great CP survey...primary OS for development? I'd predict Windows at 85% or so but I'm just guessing. :)
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It's a complicated one... Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's good: in the last century you could get free wine if you went along to a time share meeting. That didn't mean it was a good idea to go at all! Win 10 splits opinion, probably because it's something of a mess. MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles. Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS, and what they left to support desktop users hurt it as a mobile OS - try it on a tablet and you'll see what I mean; it's not not "together" as a mobile OS in the same way that Android (and even iOS) are (the soft keyboard alone is a PITA which eats half your screen!) And when you compare it's schizophrenia with Win7 which was "together" as a OS it just looks worse and can be very frustrating for "normal" users. Try working with the Settings app and you'll soon find yourself back at Control Panel! Don't get me wrong: I'm using it, both desktop and on the WookieTab. But as a desktop OS user experience, Win 7 was better. And as a mobile OS, it's far, far short of Android in many ways. What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile, without all the legacy support they have to have in desktop. It might even have got them significant mobile sales...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles
What you're describing here is Windows 8. They realized they took it too far, and took it down a notch with Windows 10. But it's still far from..."cured"...from that affliction.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS
OriginalGriff wrote:
What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile,
Or, if they'd just done a "responsive" UI that knew you were running a desktop and didn't want the Mobile features then that even would've helped a lot. However, I believe they wanted to force people to the new UX because they knew there would be people who would never change and that would force them to to do more work in perpetuity. Also, they know, "Hey, if we anger most of the people most of the time, there will still be some of the people who aren't angered. And, not all of the people are angered all the time." It's a win! :~
Well, maybe. But what they ended up with is a mobile OS that is too big, too slow, too greedy: the Wookie tab is dual boot Win 10 & Android. The whole Android OS and data partition is 5GB - Win 10 alone is 20GB and runs noticeably slower than Android on the same hardware. Bear in mind that Android will run happily in 1 GB of RAM and Win 10 ... well let's be charitable and say it will walk in 1 GB ... And that's the whole problem: it's not a desktop OS any more, but it's not a mobile OS either. I'm not sure what it is, but that's probably a lot of why most users just don't like it. If it can't decide what it wants to be, how are users supposed to to? :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles
What you're describing here is Windows 8. They realized they took it too far, and took it down a notch with Windows 10. But it's still far from..."cured"...from that affliction.
No, I don't think they did. They got another hammer, and nailed some of the Win 7 bits back on rather than listen to what people were saying and admitting a mistake.
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