Europe is a fool
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
That is not the case in all countries you know, and can be changed easily.
It is if they are natural citizens of that nation and only that nation. Simply put, where do you think you are going to deport them and why do you think the receiving country will take them? As we know, Australia was a drop site for criminals but such methods are of course not accepted nor is there a "drop" place like that today. You can't just claim someone belongs to a different nation and drop then on the border. So there is no where to deport those you don't like. I heard an interesting piece on POTUS the other week. It talked about Muslims in the EU vs. here in the US. The very nature of the US and the melting pot idea has prevented us from having the problems seen in Europe. The US has few "muslim" communities but has 6+ million. When you break the math down our percents exceed that of many of the nations having DOMESTIC (muslim) terrorist problems. Well, it turns out when you shun peoples way's of life and force them into small secluded communities they do not mix well with historical communities. Go figure. Also, on this radio broadcast it talked about the economics. In the US a VERY large % of the Muslims are in fact above poverty, which is not true in the EU and is in fact the opposite. The muslims here embraced the "American way of life" and strive for the American dream. Do we have muslim terrorists? Yes, but we also have had many XTian terrorists (% wise it is higher than Muslims). Anyway, to argue they should be "deported" because of their religion is the core of the problem was the point of the speaker. He argued that the US melting pot has prevented what the EU is seeing. BTW, every few decades in the US there is some "group" that is "evil" and not blending in and many have freaked out. One point in time it was the Italians and then it was the Irish. There is always some group some other group doesn't like. We have however put in place enough of the idea that the melting pot works, so the haters are always the minority and are forced to come around. Those that are hated, do in fact change and tone down their ideas blending them with our lovely melting pot.
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>where do you think you are going to deport them and why do you think the receiving country will take them? Their grand parents, or great grand parents countries. Their proporties and businesses will be bought off them at the going market rate and they will be given this cash. In their soon to be country this will be a lot of money. They will be well off, and the country will welcome them because of the cash injection this will give it. As for the rest of what you write. We dont force them into ghettos, they do that by their own choosing. Dont forget, the US is fundamentally segregated by race, creed and colour, so you probably dont notice this happening when muslims self segregate. In Europe we dont have such divisions, so when one group does this it is very obvious. How strongly do US muslims adhere to their creed? Is it as strong as in Europe? Is the US less tolerant than Europe of extremist views? Dont forget, Europe is seen as being at fault, carrying blame for its collonial past. DOes this give muslims in Europe more anger than in the US? Or has the US just been more careful in who it lets into their country? Is it a matter of time? European muslims have been there for many generations now. THe US more recently. Perhaps the US will see these issues in 20 or 30 years. The fact is western and muslim values are incompatible, and should be separated.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
What did Santa Clause do?
Well he is an old man sneaking around kids rooms.... ;P
Well technically, he is only supposed to come down the chimney and drop the presents off, eat the cookies and drink the milk, and then leave the same way he came in. Don't know about the "kid's room" part. Now, I always wanted to know how does he get into homes without chimneys. I sent Santa many letters about my inquiry when I was young, and still have not heard a word about it. :sigh:
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>where do you think you are going to deport them and why do you think the receiving country will take them? Their grand parents, or great grand parents countries. Their proporties and businesses will be bought off them at the going market rate and they will be given this cash. In their soon to be country this will be a lot of money. They will be well off, and the country will welcome them because of the cash injection this will give it. As for the rest of what you write. We dont force them into ghettos, they do that by their own choosing. Dont forget, the US is fundamentally segregated by race, creed and colour, so you probably dont notice this happening when muslims self segregate. In Europe we dont have such divisions, so when one group does this it is very obvious. How strongly do US muslims adhere to their creed? Is it as strong as in Europe? Is the US less tolerant than Europe of extremist views? Dont forget, Europe is seen as being at fault, carrying blame for its collonial past. DOes this give muslims in Europe more anger than in the US? Or has the US just been more careful in who it lets into their country? Is it a matter of time? European muslims have been there for many generations now. THe US more recently. Perhaps the US will see these issues in 20 or 30 years. The fact is western and muslim values are incompatible, and should be separated.
These extremest "British" murderers are essentially just that. What country on Earth is going to willingly home a fanatical "British" person that will murder innocent people wherever they live? You surely don't really believe this idealistic stuff you type do you.
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Well technically, he is only supposed to come down the chimney and drop the presents off, eat the cookies and drink the milk, and then leave the same way he came in. Don't know about the "kid's room" part. Now, I always wanted to know how does he get into homes without chimneys. I sent Santa many letters about my inquiry when I was young, and still have not heard a word about it. :sigh:
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Where their great grandparents came from of course. Buy their property and business' off them at market rates. Give them the cash. Put them on planes. Problem solved in a fair and decent way.
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>where do you think you are going to deport them and why do you think the receiving country will take them? Their grand parents, or great grand parents countries. Their proporties and businesses will be bought off them at the going market rate and they will be given this cash. In their soon to be country this will be a lot of money. They will be well off, and the country will welcome them because of the cash injection this will give it. As for the rest of what you write. We dont force them into ghettos, they do that by their own choosing. Dont forget, the US is fundamentally segregated by race, creed and colour, so you probably dont notice this happening when muslims self segregate. In Europe we dont have such divisions, so when one group does this it is very obvious. How strongly do US muslims adhere to their creed? Is it as strong as in Europe? Is the US less tolerant than Europe of extremist views? Dont forget, Europe is seen as being at fault, carrying blame for its collonial past. DOes this give muslims in Europe more anger than in the US? Or has the US just been more careful in who it lets into their country? Is it a matter of time? European muslims have been there for many generations now. THe US more recently. Perhaps the US will see these issues in 20 or 30 years. The fact is western and muslim values are incompatible, and should be separated.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Their grand parents, or great grand parents countries.
They are not citizens of those nations and those nations have absolutely 0 responsibility to take them in.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We don't force them into ghettos, they do that by their own choosing.
Yeah I know that, however it is an indirect side effect of the mentality you are presenting. In the US, we embrace the differing cultures into our community. This means, they often enjoy leaving their bubble world and living in a diverse community themselves. Propagating an idea that you will deport them to their grandparents country ensures they do not want to be your neighbor and will likely live in a secluded community which has the effects you are seeing.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Dont forget, the US is fundamentally segregated by race, creed and colour, so you probably dont notice this happening when muslims self segregate.
No we are not. Maybe in the communities you have visited, but this in not universal. The mid-west has little segregation and very rarely do you find "China" towns etc., because of this. That is not to say there are no Chinese in the midwest however as there are many and many of other race and religion.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
In Europe we dont have such divisions, so when one group does this it is very obvious.
This is a fallacy. You are in fact segregated, you just have fewer minorities than the US so they stand out even more. We have far more minorities here and let them integrate with other minorities and even enable it. For example, after Vietnam the US took in many Hmong refugees. The refugees were not grouped in communities but actually spread out all across the US.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
How strongly do US muslims adhere to their creed? Is it as strong as in Europe?
Not really sure actually. Same could be asked about XTians and really varies from family to family it seems. I have met many Muslims that are pretty open. Woman that do not wear the mandated clothing etc., and then I also see the family with the ladies in all black on a day when temps are exceeding triple digits (F of course).
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Is the US less tolerant than Europe of ext
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God be with the victims and their families. Hope you guys learn that you have really big fucking problems right now with no solutions in site, and your governments are to blame.
I can't help but think that at some point there will be a wholesale slaughter of muslims by the west. It won't solve anything, but it might placate the masses for a while. Evolution needs a lot more time before everyone sees how f*cking pointless this violence on both sides is, and for what, some bullsh*t religious-political-economic reasons? I've taken to apologizing to my kids for bringing them into this f*cked up place. :sigh:
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Well technically, he is only supposed to come down the chimney and drop the presents off, eat the cookies and drink the milk, and then leave the same way he came in. Don't know about the "kid's room" part. Now, I always wanted to know how does he get into homes without chimneys. I sent Santa many letters about my inquiry when I was young, and still have not heard a word about it. :sigh:
Slacker007 wrote:
Now, I always wanted to know how does he get into homes without chimneys.
I guess some parents mothers stay up late to let him in? There was always that Slade song about "What will your Daddy do when he sees your Momma kissing Santa Clause?" ;P
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The problem with your suggestions is that they are contrary to the most basic principles of Western Civilization. The biggest problem with Europe is multiculturalism, i.e. the idea that all cultures are equal. They obviously are not. If someone brings his custom of child marriage from the Third World to the UK, it should not be excused on the grounds of "cultural diversity"; he and his accessories (the girl's parents) should be prosecuted for statutory rape. If a girl's family think that "honour killings" are acceptable, perhaps a life sentence bunged up with their own chamber pots will teach them differently. And if some murderous bastards even think of planning terrorist actions, the laws designed to handle the IRA are still on the books; lock them up until they're too feeble to even lift a knife, to say nothing of stabbing someone with it!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
If someone brings his custom of child marriage from the Third World to the UK, ...
Or America. Let's not pretend it's purely a "third world" problem. 11 Years Old, a Mom, and Pushed to Marry Her Rapist in Florida - NYTimes.com[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
What did Santa Clause do? :OMG:
The bastard hasn't bought me a present for nearly 40 years.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Are you surprised, when your fellow Aussies sing extremely rude songs about him[^]? :rolleyes:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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These extremest "British" murderers are essentially just that. What country on Earth is going to willingly home a fanatical "British" person that will murder innocent people wherever they live? You surely don't really believe this idealistic stuff you type do you.
>What country on Earth is going to willingly home a fanatical ... Ah, you mean it wasnt Pakistan protecting Bin Laden? You need to wake up. Sorry, but you do. The west has a serious problem. The EU just let, and will continue to let, millions of young muslim men from all over africa and asia into Europe. The problems havent even started yet. The longer this goes on for and the longer it isnt dealt with the more violent the end will be. What I am suggesting is a fair and decent way to resolve the issue now.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
If someone brings his custom of child marriage from the Third World to the UK, ...
Or America. Let's not pretend it's purely a "third world" problem. 11 Years Old, a Mom, and Pushed to Marry Her Rapist in Florida - NYTimes.com[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Or America. Let's not pretend it's purely a "third world" problem. 11 Years Old, a Mom, and Pushed to Marry Her Rapist in Florida - NYTimes.com[^]
Ah, I see your misconception here...
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Their grand parents, or great grand parents countries.
They are not citizens of those nations and those nations have absolutely 0 responsibility to take them in.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We don't force them into ghettos, they do that by their own choosing.
Yeah I know that, however it is an indirect side effect of the mentality you are presenting. In the US, we embrace the differing cultures into our community. This means, they often enjoy leaving their bubble world and living in a diverse community themselves. Propagating an idea that you will deport them to their grandparents country ensures they do not want to be your neighbor and will likely live in a secluded community which has the effects you are seeing.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Dont forget, the US is fundamentally segregated by race, creed and colour, so you probably dont notice this happening when muslims self segregate.
No we are not. Maybe in the communities you have visited, but this in not universal. The mid-west has little segregation and very rarely do you find "China" towns etc., because of this. That is not to say there are no Chinese in the midwest however as there are many and many of other race and religion.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
In Europe we dont have such divisions, so when one group does this it is very obvious.
This is a fallacy. You are in fact segregated, you just have fewer minorities than the US so they stand out even more. We have far more minorities here and let them integrate with other minorities and even enable it. For example, after Vietnam the US took in many Hmong refugees. The refugees were not grouped in communities but actually spread out all across the US.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
How strongly do US muslims adhere to their creed? Is it as strong as in Europe?
Not really sure actually. Same could be asked about XTians and really varies from family to family it seems. I have met many Muslims that are pretty open. Woman that do not wear the mandated clothing etc., and then I also see the family with the ladies in all black on a day when temps are exceeding triple digits (F of course).
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Is the US less tolerant than Europe of ext
> They are not citizens of those nations and those nations have absolutely 0 responsibility to take them in They regularly travelling to those countries, often to arranged marriages, or to family events. Theses countries have no problems with this [^] Their links and associations with those countries are very strong. Many maintain dual nationality. And we are already deporting UK pakistani criminals: Asian sex abusers to be stripped of UK citizenship and deported | The Independent[^] > In the US, we embrace the differing cultures into our community And you think we dont ion Europe? 1970s ska music - Recherche Google[^] Muslims chose to isolate themselves in Europe, forming ghettos of their own making. > This is a fallacy. You are in fact segregated The US is more racially segregated than Europe it would appear. Our 21st-century segregation: we're still divided by race | Reniqua Allen | Opinion | The Guardian[^] Let me refer you again to the late 1970s wave of Ska/Two Tone music that swept the UK and was a mix of black and white culture that grew up in the tower blocks and housing estates (projects you call them). This is very much not segregation. > you just have fewer minorities than the US You are wrong. France has a h
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>What country on Earth is going to willingly home a fanatical ... Ah, you mean it wasnt Pakistan protecting Bin Laden? You need to wake up. Sorry, but you do. The west has a serious problem. The EU just let, and will continue to let, millions of young muslim men from all over africa and asia into Europe. The problems havent even started yet. The longer this goes on for and the longer it isnt dealt with the more violent the end will be. What I am suggesting is a fair and decent way to resolve the issue now.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, you mean it wasnt Pakistan protecting Bin Laden?
I can't argue with you there, except Bin Laden wasn't a foot soldier he was a leader and founder of al-Qaeda and he didn't have British nationality, there is a difference. Had the non-British perpetrators of the London attacks at the weekend survived I am sure they would have been deported after serving there probably too short sentences.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, you mean it wasnt Pakistan protecting Bin Laden?
I can't argue with you there, except Bin Laden wasn't a foot soldier he was a leader and founder of al-Qaeda and he didn't have British nationality, there is a difference. Had the non-British perpetrators of the London attacks at the weekend survived I am sure they would have been deported after serving there probably too short sentences.
The Rotherham sex gangs are being deported, but they have dual nationality I believe. However, I am talking about the general deportation of muslims to their ancestral countries. They would return with whatever cash the sale of their UK assets raised, which would probably amount to quite a lot in their ancestral countries, and make them welcome. Many of them have maintained very strong links with their ancestral countries anyway, alot of girls are sent back to Pakistan to be married for example. This happens without any apparent problems vis a vis immigration or nationality issues. And we know Pakistan quite happily accommodates, even protects, foreign jihadis, so this element of UK society might actually be welcomed with open arms by Pakistan.
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>What country on Earth is going to willingly home a fanatical ... Ah, you mean it wasnt Pakistan protecting Bin Laden? You need to wake up. Sorry, but you do. The west has a serious problem. The EU just let, and will continue to let, millions of young muslim men from all over africa and asia into Europe. The problems havent even started yet. The longer this goes on for and the longer it isnt dealt with the more violent the end will be. What I am suggesting is a fair and decent way to resolve the issue now.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, you mean it wasn't Pakistan protecting Bin Laden?
Yes this is the fact that most liberals would deny from the core. The truth is Pakistan is sponsoring and providing safeguard to the most of the terrorists and menaces of underworld.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
The west has a serious problem.
Not only west but terrorism is an issue for entire world.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
The problems haven't even started yet. The longer this goes on for and the longer it isn't dealt with the more violent the end will be
History teaches this but again this is the fact that is on denial since long but yeah it will be accepted only when someone close to them will be hurt from this terrorism.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
My ancestors came from the Isle of Lesbos.
So you're Lesbian?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
The bastard hasn't bought me a present for nearly 40 years.
But have you been good during those 40 years? :-\
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
But have you been good during those 40 years? :-\
I'm always true to my perception of good.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Are you surprised, when your fellow Aussies sing extremely rude songs about him[^]? :rolleyes:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Are you surprised, when your fellow Aussies sing extremely rude songs about him[^]? :rolleyes:
Without even clicking, that is Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson and he's right, Santa Clause is a sunshine.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, you mean it wasn't Pakistan protecting Bin Laden?
Yes this is the fact that most liberals would deny from the core. The truth is Pakistan is sponsoring and providing safeguard to the most of the terrorists and menaces of underworld.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
The west has a serious problem.
Not only west but terrorism is an issue for entire world.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
The problems haven't even started yet. The longer this goes on for and the longer it isn't dealt with the more violent the end will be
History teaches this but again this is the fact that is on denial since long but yeah it will be accepted only when someone close to them will be hurt from this terrorism.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
History does. Centuries ago we had to ban Catholics from holding any kind of office, lest they use their position to push their religion, and had to curtail the most extreme form of Protestantism. Britain doesnt like strong religion, it worries us, it portrays mental instability and childishness. We really need to deal with islam.
