What the h is going on
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I'm assuming you live closer to the coast somewhere
My experience of multiculturism have been in London - North and South - so Greeks, Turks, West Indians, Pakistanis, Indians, Arabs, Jews, Irish, Africans, ... and the West Midlands - loads of Muslims there. And I have worked with all the above, and Ozzies, Kiwis, Boers, Iranians, yada yada yada.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
So could everyone please keep mentioning about other religions in the past as much as possible as doing that will eventually fix the problems in Islam today.
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring? Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real (one was just a couple of hundred feet from my office) - fortunately it did not detonate properly. Just look at the death toll in the UK (excluding NI) each year. Compare and contrast. I have never considered removing the Irish and/or Catholics from the UK and sending them 'back home'. (Even though some have expressed an impersonal hated of poor old me because of atrocities committed before I was born. It's not easy being English.)
NoNotThatBob wrote:
My experience of multiculturism have been in London and the West Midlands
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places? What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos? An area being saturated with one culture is not "multiculturalism".
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring?
The irony.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics. The Bible was not telling these people to hate, that's the difference that you (deliberately?) refuse to admit.
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You've made an excellent point, and I fully agree with it. I just wanted to make it clear that the white population isn't particularly known in the history as peace-loving saints either that they could whine about Muslims and violence.
Let's not make this into a race issue, because it isn't.
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When the religion is preaching hate, it is the reason and the cause.
Agree. But then, I don't call that a "true" religion.
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
My experience of multiculturism have been in London and the West Midlands
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places? What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos? An area being saturated with one culture is not "multiculturalism".
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring?
The irony.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics. The Bible was not telling these people to hate, that's the difference that you (deliberately?) refuse to admit.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places?
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another. We worked together, and we all socialised after work. That's all.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos?
Why single out Muslims. There were Jewish 'ghettos', Greek 'ghettos', Irish 'ghettos', even Ozzie 'ghettos' (Kangaroo Valley, Earl's Court). People congregate by income, class, race, creed, colour, whichever provides an environment in which they feel secure (especially in a foreign land).
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics.
Brought about by the division of Ireland into Catholic and Protestant governed states. However, a terrorist bomb is a terrorist bomb, whether planted for Religion or the State. I do not distinguish between the two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The Bible was not telling these people to hate,
And the Koran states that Jews and Christians are Children of the Book, worshipping the same God (Allah), it does not say they should be hated. The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA and its Allies to destabilize the 'Middle East'. Those indoctrinating young Muslims need only point out that these States' actions are un-Christian, thus forfeiting the Koran's protection, allowing their hatred fre rein. We make it too easy for the fundamentalists working on impressionable minds.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places?
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another. We worked together, and we all socialised after work. That's all.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos?
Why single out Muslims. There were Jewish 'ghettos', Greek 'ghettos', Irish 'ghettos', even Ozzie 'ghettos' (Kangaroo Valley, Earl's Court). People congregate by income, class, race, creed, colour, whichever provides an environment in which they feel secure (especially in a foreign land).
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics.
Brought about by the division of Ireland into Catholic and Protestant governed states. However, a terrorist bomb is a terrorist bomb, whether planted for Religion or the State. I do not distinguish between the two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The Bible was not telling these people to hate,
And the Koran states that Jews and Christians are Children of the Book, worshipping the same God (Allah), it does not say they should be hated. The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA and its Allies to destabilize the 'Middle East'. Those indoctrinating young Muslims need only point out that these States' actions are un-Christian, thus forfeiting the Koran's protection, allowing their hatred fre rein. We make it too easy for the fundamentalists working on impressionable minds.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another.
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Why single out Muslims
There are indeed enclaves of other cultures (Polish and so on) but they're nowhere near as entrenched, pervasive or widespread. Neither are they multiplying at an increased rate, nor are they causing any real problems. I'd rather there be no enclaves of any culture, but give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Brought about
Irrelevant. People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded. Yet again you are ignoring the fact that Muslims are taught to hate by their religious text and their leaders. You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled. If you don't understand this and instead continue to dodge and ignore this issue you are the very reason we are sleepwalking into destruction.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims, even from the very birth of Pakistan. Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too? To ignore centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions and instead blame everything on near-recent events is incredibly ignorant.
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Agree. But then, I don't call that a "true" religion.
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Irrelevant. They do call it a true religion and it teaches them hate and intolerance thus the problems we're seeing today.
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Irrelevant. They do call it a true religion and it teaches them hate and intolerance thus the problems we're seeing today.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Irrelevant
To you perhaps, but not objectively speaking.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
it teaches them hate and intolerance thus the problems we're seeing today.
Agreed.
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Let's not make this into a race issue, because it isn't.
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It is an issue about violent behaviour. Why should we not discuss the violence committed by a certain race, but discuss about the violence committed by a certain religion? Is one more acceptable than the other? If that were the case, then we'd have to name the genocides I mentioned about as "catholic terrorism".
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It is an issue about violent behaviour. Why should we not discuss the violence committed by a certain race, but discuss about the violence committed by a certain religion? Is one more acceptable than the other? If that were the case, then we'd have to name the genocides I mentioned about as "catholic terrorism".
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
It is an issue about violent behaviour.
True, it is.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Why should we not discuss the violence committed by a certain race
This isn't about race related violence nor violence committed by one race against another. Muslims are of many races including white.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
but discuss about the violence committed by a certain religion
Because it *is* about violence committed by those of a certain religion and in the name of that religion.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Is one more acceptable than the other?
Not necessarily. Depends on context. Here the context is "Islam" or "Muslim" -- a religion or class of religious people. Not a race. Hence my comment not to make this about race. Besides, in my mind there is only one race: Human.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
If that were the case, then we'd have to name the genocides I mentioned about as "catholic terrorism".
Some of those incidences, sadly, may have been (at least by today's standards). When it is state orchestrated, then it's war. It's terrorism when committed by individuals.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
It is an issue about violent behaviour.
True, it is.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Why should we not discuss the violence committed by a certain race
This isn't about race related violence nor violence committed by one race against another. Muslims are of many races including white.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
but discuss about the violence committed by a certain religion
Because it *is* about violence committed by those of a certain religion and in the name of that religion.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Is one more acceptable than the other?
Not necessarily. Depends on context. Here the context is "Islam" or "Muslim" -- a religion or class of religious people. Not a race. Hence my comment not to make this about race. Besides, in my mind there is only one race: Human.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
If that were the case, then we'd have to name the genocides I mentioned about as "catholic terrorism".
Some of those incidences, sadly, may have been (at least by today's standards). When it is state orchestrated, then it's war. It's terrorism when committed by individuals.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
This isn't about race related violence nor violence committed by one race against another. Muslims are of many races including white.
So are Christians, and they have committed genocides as well. It also is kind of what I pointed out in y first message, as the OP seemed to be ignorant of the fact that not all Muslims are the same.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Because it *is* about violence committed by those of a certain religion and in the name of that religion.
Killing in the name of presumed racial superiority isn't any better than killing in the name of religion.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Is one more acceptable than the other?
Not necessarily. Depends on context.
Murdering innocent people is not an acceptable thing, no matter the context. Not in the name of religion, not in the name of race. The British people willfully murdered several millions of people around the world, and are unapologetic to this date about the millions they murdered in India. It could only be perceived as them being OK with committing genocides in the name of race. However, it does seem unacceptable to them when about one millionth of what they did is done by someone else in the name of a delusional interpretation of a religion. See the hypocrisy in there? Note that I am not endorsing any murder; the sooner they get rid of ISIS and the likes, the better for the world.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Besides, in my mind there is only one race: Human.
Awesome! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
This isn't about race related violence nor violence committed by one race against another. Muslims are of many races including white.
So are Christians, and they have committed genocides as well. It also is kind of what I pointed out in y first message, as the OP seemed to be ignorant of the fact that not all Muslims are the same.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Because it *is* about violence committed by those of a certain religion and in the name of that religion.
Killing in the name of presumed racial superiority isn't any better than killing in the name of religion.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Is one more acceptable than the other?
Not necessarily. Depends on context.
Murdering innocent people is not an acceptable thing, no matter the context. Not in the name of religion, not in the name of race. The British people willfully murdered several millions of people around the world, and are unapologetic to this date about the millions they murdered in India. It could only be perceived as them being OK with committing genocides in the name of race. However, it does seem unacceptable to them when about one millionth of what they did is done by someone else in the name of a delusional interpretation of a religion. See the hypocrisy in there? Note that I am not endorsing any murder; the sooner they get rid of ISIS and the likes, the better for the world.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Besides, in my mind there is only one race: Human.
Awesome! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
genocides
I think you must have an overbroad definition of genocide.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Christians ... have committed genocides as well
So that justifies what Muslims are doing?
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Killing
Is simply wrong, period.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Murdering innocent people is not an acceptable thing, no matter the context
Of course not. And that's not what I meant and you know it. I thought what you were asking is discussing one more acceptable than the other. End-of-line.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
genocides
I think you must have an overbroad definition of genocide.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Christians ... have committed genocides as well
So that justifies what Muslims are doing?
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Killing
Is simply wrong, period.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Murdering innocent people is not an acceptable thing, no matter the context
Of course not. And that's not what I meant and you know it. I thought what you were asking is discussing one more acceptable than the other. End-of-line.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
genocides
I think you must have an overbroad definition of genocide.
I suppose the British people were/are mostly Catholic? Do you really need me to explain in detail about the genocides and other crimes against humanity they've committed?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So that justifies what Muslims are doing?
I have said no such thing, implied or expressed, whatsoever.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Killing
Is simply wrong, period.
I thought we had agreed on that already. End-of-line.
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Ah, the US State Department - experts in State Sponsored Terrorism. Very modest of them to defer to Iran, Sudan,and Syria. As for a multicultural society, my experience of it in Britain has been very positive. Of course, the destabilisation of the 'Middle East' by the USA and its EU allies has radicalised Muslims. We should not be surprised, then, that when we bomb and kill innocent civilians, nutters retaliate by killing innocent civilians in our countries. At least they take themselves out as well, unlike the European Christian bombers we experienced in the UK some decades ago - plant the bomb and scarper.
Wow, You're purposely ignoring centuries of Islamic violence and trying to suggest it only started when we bombed them. Also ignoring that the ira would mostly ring a warning after the bomb was posted
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
genocides
I think you must have an overbroad definition of genocide.
I suppose the British people were/are mostly Catholic? Do you really need me to explain in detail about the genocides and other crimes against humanity they've committed?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So that justifies what Muslims are doing?
I have said no such thing, implied or expressed, whatsoever.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Killing
Is simply wrong, period.
I thought we had agreed on that already. End-of-line.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I suppose the British people were/are mostly Catholic?
Actually, the British Church split from the Catholic Church some centuries past.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I have said no such thing, implied or expressed, whatsoever.
By bringing it into the discussion in the way you did you certainly seemed to.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I suppose the British people were/are mostly Catholic?
Actually, the British Church split from the Catholic Church some centuries past.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I have said no such thing, implied or expressed, whatsoever.
By bringing it into the discussion in the way you did you certainly seemed to.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Actually, the British Church split from the Catholic Church some centuries past.
May be they left one church and joined another, but what I meant was that they're mostly Christians. It's amusing how you've conveniently ignored the part about the genocides, but are nitpicking on something relatively insignificant.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
By bringing it into the discussion in the way you did you certainly seemed to.
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way, but I see how someone else's interpretation may be different than mine.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Actually, the British Church split from the Catholic Church some centuries past.
May be they left one church and joined another, but what I meant was that they're mostly Christians. It's amusing how you've conveniently ignored the part about the genocides, but are nitpicking on something relatively insignificant.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
By bringing it into the discussion in the way you did you certainly seemed to.
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way, but I see how someone else's interpretation may be different than mine.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way
Really? So I say "Johnny's always hitting Jane" and you say "Well, so Jack's always hitting Jill" and you don't see how you saying that seems to (falsely) justify the other? Wow.
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another.
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Why single out Muslims
There are indeed enclaves of other cultures (Polish and so on) but they're nowhere near as entrenched, pervasive or widespread. Neither are they multiplying at an increased rate, nor are they causing any real problems. I'd rather there be no enclaves of any culture, but give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Brought about
Irrelevant. People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded. Yet again you are ignoring the fact that Muslims are taught to hate by their religious text and their leaders. You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled. If you don't understand this and instead continue to dodge and ignore this issue you are the very reason we are sleepwalking into destruction.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims, even from the very birth of Pakistan. Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too? To ignore centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions and instead blame everything on near-recent events is incredibly ignorant.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
Given that you claim Muslims have been murderous for centuries, why would my experiences in the '60s, '70s and mid '90s be irrelevant? A Muslim Lite era?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
Who'd have guessed!
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded
I think you mean THOSE religions. Politics and Religion were inextricably intertwined. Certainly, those who wanted a united Ireland were predominantly Catholic, and the Protestants were afraid that Catholicism would be reflected in Irish law. "Home Rule is Rome Rule". Criminally minded? To the terrorist, it is not a crime. It is only we who see the action as such.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled.
Nowadays, true. In the past, when religion was taken seriously, not so. I am neither dodging nor ignoring the fact that some Imams preach hatred. however the Koran is clear as to the treatment of Jews and Christians as fellow worshippers of the one God.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims
For millennia Humans have been killing and driving out Humans and non-Humans from their lands. Innate, innit?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too?
Recent USA foreign policy is responsible for the current stoking of hatred. Possibly the British and French colonial actions following WW1 are also raked over. Certainly the exodus of illegal East European immigrants into what is now Israel still smarts.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions
Pot / Kettle.
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Wow, You're purposely ignoring centuries of Islamic violence and trying to suggest it only started when we bombed them. Also ignoring that the ira would mostly ring a warning after the bomb was posted
Pom Pey wrote:
You're purposely ignoring centuries of Islamic violence and trying to suggest it only started when we bombed them.
Not at all. Recent actions by the USA and its Allies triggered the current wave of terrorism. British and French colonialism didn't help much, either.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way
Really? So I say "Johnny's always hitting Jane" and you say "Well, so Jack's always hitting Jill" and you don't see how you saying that seems to (falsely) justify the other? Wow.
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Johnny: Jill keeps hitting Jane, but I'm a good boy. Bonnie: Johnny has been hitting Jane for the past 200 years as well. Also, he is parasitically feeding on Scotland Scott to this date against Scott's will, all the while complaining about Jill. Johnny is also unapologetic about most of the genocides he's committed.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
Given that you claim Muslims have been murderous for centuries, why would my experiences in the '60s, '70s and mid '90s be irrelevant? A Muslim Lite era?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
Who'd have guessed!
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded
I think you mean THOSE religions. Politics and Religion were inextricably intertwined. Certainly, those who wanted a united Ireland were predominantly Catholic, and the Protestants were afraid that Catholicism would be reflected in Irish law. "Home Rule is Rome Rule". Criminally minded? To the terrorist, it is not a crime. It is only we who see the action as such.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled.
Nowadays, true. In the past, when religion was taken seriously, not so. I am neither dodging nor ignoring the fact that some Imams preach hatred. however the Koran is clear as to the treatment of Jews and Christians as fellow worshippers of the one God.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims
For millennia Humans have been killing and driving out Humans and non-Humans from their lands. Innate, innit?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too?
Recent USA foreign policy is responsible for the current stoking of hatred. Possibly the British and French colonial actions following WW1 are also raked over. Certainly the exodus of illegal East European immigrants into what is now Israel still smarts.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions
Pot / Kettle.
You're either not very intelligent, or you're just trolling, so I'll try and explain my point in very simple terms Religion A - was violent thousands of years ago, not hundreds of years ago, not today Religion B - was violent thousands of years ago, violent hundreds of years ago, but not today Religion C - was violent thousands of years ago, violent hundreds of years ago, and violent today Religion A & B and "good", religion C is "bad. Religion C is Islam.