What the h is going on
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No, I mean that getting long-term residency in most EU countries has been relatively easy. The children of these long-term residents (who were born in the EU) are, of course, EU citizens.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
X years living (not necessarily working) in the country // getting married with native // being born there although the parents still hold other nationality (and doesn't matter how long there)... and some more. Yes, it is pretty easy (sadly)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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super wrote:
And yet we ignore the other side of the axis and support and help Saudis and co..Why the selective partiality.
:thumbsup: 15 of 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis...yet that country is not on the travel ban? I don't get it. :confused:
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
how is that multi-cultural open borders policy working out for you?
Working pretty well here. I have several colleagues from India, Middle East, Africa, Asia. We all go along very well. I don't say everything goes smoothly, there are problems sometimes, but nothing major. Maybe had Europe left the rest of the world alone, it wouldn't be in that situation today.
Canada probably has a pretty good screening setup, as well as a giant wall called "The Ocean". Same with the US. Many of the immigrants / refugees got into Europe by walking over land from Muslim countries and many of them were "bad" guys. Hence basically no screening, no wall.
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super wrote:
Tell me , how is it or in the recent part Iran was master for terror. If I am correct it was always coming from Gulf region?
From the U.S. State Department: [Iran Continues To Sponsor Terrorism](https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2017/04/270315.htm) [State Sponsors of Terrorism](https://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm)
super wrote:
all the suspect are not from outside but inside home grown I guess
And their parents were admitted to European countries under policies that considered Multiculturalism a Good Thing. A bad immigration policy does not necessarily show its effects before the next election!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Ah, the US State Department - experts in State Sponsored Terrorism. Very modest of them to defer to Iran, Sudan,and Syria. As for a multicultural society, my experience of it in Britain has been very positive. Of course, the destabilisation of the 'Middle East' by the USA and its EU allies has radicalised Muslims. We should not be surprised, then, that when we bomb and kill innocent civilians, nutters retaliate by killing innocent civilians in our countries. At least they take themselves out as well, unlike the European Christian bombers we experienced in the UK some decades ago - plant the bomb and scarper.
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Le centriste wrote:
Maybe had Europe left the rest of the world alone, it wouldn't be in that situation today.
Muslims have a long history of violence, especially when it comes to aggressively infiltrating and finally overthrowing the native population. Whilst it's easy to blame the recent attacks etc on "foreign policy", how do you explain the many other instances of genocide committed by Muslims throughout history? Are you also going to blame the rise in sexual assaults\rape of children by Muslims on foreign policy too? If canada's Muslim population is allowed to grow it will have all the same problems Europe is having now and we'll see how smug you are then.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Muslims have a long history of violence
So do Christians. Most religions, also. I hate religions.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Muslims have a long history of violence
So do Christians. Most religions, also. I hate religions.
Le centriste wrote:
So do Christians humans. Most religions people, also. I hate religions humans.
FTFY. Religion is an excuse, not the reason or the cause. It's like a criminal blaming his poor childhood for his criminality.
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Le centriste wrote:
Maybe had Europe left the rest of the world alone, it wouldn't be in that situation today.
Muslims have a long history of violence, especially when it comes to aggressively infiltrating and finally overthrowing the native population. Whilst it's easy to blame the recent attacks etc on "foreign policy", how do you explain the many other instances of genocide committed by Muslims throughout history? Are you also going to blame the rise in sexual assaults\rape of children by Muslims on foreign policy too? If canada's Muslim population is allowed to grow it will have all the same problems Europe is having now and we'll see how smug you are then.
I don't know where you are from the confusing mess that the UK is, but...
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Muslims have a long history of violence, especially when it comes to aggressively infiltrating and finally overthrowing the native population.
You've got to be fucking kidding me as you seem to be confusing the term "British" with "Muslims", or you have no knowledge whatsoever of the inglorious "heritage" of the erstwhile British empire. India, New Zealand, America, Australia, Canada, Papua, Fiji, Tasmania, Straits, many countries in Africa, etc. are some places that were infiltrated by the British to have the native population overthrown and enslaved. Remember that most countries in the world celebrate their independence from the British (not from Muslims). Let's not even get into the genocides. As to your ignorant clumping together of all Muslims under the same umbrella, if I didn't know any better, I would state that the most violent crimes in the world has been committed by White Anglo-Saxon Poeple (remember, Winston Churchill, Columbus, Adolf Hitler, The Pope, Joseph Stalin, Albert Einstein could be painted with the same brush - "White people").
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I don't know where you are from the confusing mess that the UK is, but...
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Muslims have a long history of violence, especially when it comes to aggressively infiltrating and finally overthrowing the native population.
You've got to be fucking kidding me as you seem to be confusing the term "British" with "Muslims", or you have no knowledge whatsoever of the inglorious "heritage" of the erstwhile British empire. India, New Zealand, America, Australia, Canada, Papua, Fiji, Tasmania, Straits, many countries in Africa, etc. are some places that were infiltrated by the British to have the native population overthrown and enslaved. Remember that most countries in the world celebrate their independence from the British (not from Muslims). Let's not even get into the genocides. As to your ignorant clumping together of all Muslims under the same umbrella, if I didn't know any better, I would state that the most violent crimes in the world has been committed by White Anglo-Saxon Poeple (remember, Winston Churchill, Columbus, Adolf Hitler, The Pope, Joseph Stalin, Albert Einstein could be painted with the same brush - "White people").
While it's true the British had a conquest period of a 200-300 years (really the British Empire was mostly defunct by the end of WW1), the Muslims (Islamists) have had continuous violent conquests going almost 1500 years. Even invading Spain and large parts of Europe during the Moorish (muslim) Invasion in 711, that conquest lasted more than 700 years until 1492. Palestine was actually mostly Christian from about 100 AD until 1095 AD until the Muslim Turks invaded Jerusalem in 1095 and massacred 3000 Christian pilgrims (mostly from Europe). This was one of the main causes of the Crusades which lasted off-and-on for about 200 years. However the Muslim "Crusades" have been ongoing for about 1500 years, spreading their violent ideology all over Africa and Asia.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Muslims have a long history of violence
So do Christians. Most religions, also. I hate religions.
Le centriste wrote:
So do Christians. Most religions, also.
Yes, but those religions have evolved and are no longer violent. People are indicating that these recent events are to do with recent wars etc, I'm just showing that that's nonsense, that Muslims have always been this way. Edit: BTW I even knew that is what your response would be. It seems you apologists have all downloaded the same script about "how to defend terrorists" as you all say the same nonsense and when challenged on it you never have a reply.
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Le centriste wrote:
So do Christians humans. Most religions people, also. I hate religions humans.
FTFY. Religion is an excuse, not the reason or the cause. It's like a criminal blaming his poor childhood for his criminality.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
When the religion is preaching hate, it is the reason and the cause.
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While it's true the British had a conquest period of a 200-300 years (really the British Empire was mostly defunct by the end of WW1), the Muslims (Islamists) have had continuous violent conquests going almost 1500 years. Even invading Spain and large parts of Europe during the Moorish (muslim) Invasion in 711, that conquest lasted more than 700 years until 1492. Palestine was actually mostly Christian from about 100 AD until 1095 AD until the Muslim Turks invaded Jerusalem in 1095 and massacred 3000 Christian pilgrims (mostly from Europe). This was one of the main causes of the Crusades which lasted off-and-on for about 200 years. However the Muslim "Crusades" have been ongoing for about 1500 years, spreading their violent ideology all over Africa and Asia.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
You've made an excellent point, and I fully agree with it. I just wanted to make it clear that the white population isn't particularly known in the history as peace-loving saints either that they could whine about Muslims and violence.
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Le centriste wrote:
Maybe had Europe left the rest of the world alone, it wouldn't be in that situation today.
Muslims have a long history of violence, especially when it comes to aggressively infiltrating and finally overthrowing the native population. Whilst it's easy to blame the recent attacks etc on "foreign policy", how do you explain the many other instances of genocide committed by Muslims throughout history? Are you also going to blame the rise in sexual assaults\rape of children by Muslims on foreign policy too? If canada's Muslim population is allowed to grow it will have all the same problems Europe is having now and we'll see how smug you are then.
I seem to recall someone actually put a figure on it, 7%, if you have 7% muslim in your community then you have a serious problem. The number sounds like bullshit to me but the concept is probably valid.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Ah, the US State Department - experts in State Sponsored Terrorism. Very modest of them to defer to Iran, Sudan,and Syria. As for a multicultural society, my experience of it in Britain has been very positive. Of course, the destabilisation of the 'Middle East' by the USA and its EU allies has radicalised Muslims. We should not be surprised, then, that when we bomb and kill innocent civilians, nutters retaliate by killing innocent civilians in our countries. At least they take themselves out as well, unlike the European Christian bombers we experienced in the UK some decades ago - plant the bomb and scarper.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
As for a multicultural society, my experience of it in Britain has been very positive.
I'm assuming you live closer to the coast somewhere :)
NoNotThatBob wrote:
At least they take themselves out as well, unlike the European Christian bombers we experienced in the UK some decades ago
You know it's a funny thing....we keep hearing this over and over and over, that decades\hundreds\thousands of years ago other religions suffered violence too. Thing is though...the Islamic terror attacks are still happening today. We're obviously not mentioning this enough....it's been brought up at least three times in this thread alone but we need to mention this more. So could everyone please keep mentioning about other religions in the past as much as possible as doing that will eventually fix the problems in Islam today. Thanks.
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
As for a multicultural society, my experience of it in Britain has been very positive.
I'm assuming you live closer to the coast somewhere :)
NoNotThatBob wrote:
At least they take themselves out as well, unlike the European Christian bombers we experienced in the UK some decades ago
You know it's a funny thing....we keep hearing this over and over and over, that decades\hundreds\thousands of years ago other religions suffered violence too. Thing is though...the Islamic terror attacks are still happening today. We're obviously not mentioning this enough....it's been brought up at least three times in this thread alone but we need to mention this more. So could everyone please keep mentioning about other religions in the past as much as possible as doing that will eventually fix the problems in Islam today. Thanks.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I'm assuming you live closer to the coast somewhere
My experience of multiculturism have been in London - North and South - so Greeks, Turks, West Indians, Pakistanis, Indians, Arabs, Jews, Irish, Africans, ... and the West Midlands - loads of Muslims there. And I have worked with all the above, and Ozzies, Kiwis, Boers, Iranians, yada yada yada.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
So could everyone please keep mentioning about other religions in the past as much as possible as doing that will eventually fix the problems in Islam today.
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring? Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real (one was just a couple of hundred feet from my office) - fortunately it did not detonate properly. Just look at the death toll in the UK (excluding NI) each year. Compare and contrast. I have never considered removing the Irish and/or Catholics from the UK and sending them 'back home'. (Even though some have expressed an impersonal hated of poor old me because of atrocities committed before I was born. It's not easy being English.)
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I'm assuming you live closer to the coast somewhere
My experience of multiculturism have been in London - North and South - so Greeks, Turks, West Indians, Pakistanis, Indians, Arabs, Jews, Irish, Africans, ... and the West Midlands - loads of Muslims there. And I have worked with all the above, and Ozzies, Kiwis, Boers, Iranians, yada yada yada.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
So could everyone please keep mentioning about other religions in the past as much as possible as doing that will eventually fix the problems in Islam today.
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring? Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real (one was just a couple of hundred feet from my office) - fortunately it did not detonate properly. Just look at the death toll in the UK (excluding NI) each year. Compare and contrast. I have never considered removing the Irish and/or Catholics from the UK and sending them 'back home'. (Even though some have expressed an impersonal hated of poor old me because of atrocities committed before I was born. It's not easy being English.)
NoNotThatBob wrote:
My experience of multiculturism have been in London and the West Midlands
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places? What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos? An area being saturated with one culture is not "multiculturalism".
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring?
The irony.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics. The Bible was not telling these people to hate, that's the difference that you (deliberately?) refuse to admit.
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You've made an excellent point, and I fully agree with it. I just wanted to make it clear that the white population isn't particularly known in the history as peace-loving saints either that they could whine about Muslims and violence.
Let's not make this into a race issue, because it isn't.
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When the religion is preaching hate, it is the reason and the cause.
Agree. But then, I don't call that a "true" religion.
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
My experience of multiculturism have been in London and the West Midlands
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places? What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos? An area being saturated with one culture is not "multiculturalism".
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Deliberate misconstrual for point scoring?
The irony.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Yes it was decades ago, but the IRA bombings were real
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics. The Bible was not telling these people to hate, that's the difference that you (deliberately?) refuse to admit.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places?
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another. We worked together, and we all socialised after work. That's all.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos?
Why single out Muslims. There were Jewish 'ghettos', Greek 'ghettos', Irish 'ghettos', even Ozzie 'ghettos' (Kangaroo Valley, Earl's Court). People congregate by income, class, race, creed, colour, whichever provides an environment in which they feel secure (especially in a foreign land).
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics.
Brought about by the division of Ireland into Catholic and Protestant governed states. However, a terrorist bomb is a terrorist bomb, whether planted for Religion or the State. I do not distinguish between the two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The Bible was not telling these people to hate,
And the Koran states that Jews and Christians are Children of the Book, worshipping the same God (Allah), it does not say they should be hated. The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA and its Allies to destabilize the 'Middle East'. Those indoctrinating young Muslims need only point out that these States' actions are un-Christian, thus forfeiting the Koran's protection, allowing their hatred fre rein. We make it too easy for the fundamentalists working on impressionable minds.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
And you're telling me multiculturalism works in those places?
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another. We worked together, and we all socialised after work. That's all.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What is "multicultural" about places that are Muslim ghettos?
Why single out Muslims. There were Jewish 'ghettos', Greek 'ghettos', Irish 'ghettos', even Ozzie 'ghettos' (Kangaroo Valley, Earl's Court). People congregate by income, class, race, creed, colour, whichever provides an environment in which they feel secure (especially in a foreign land).
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The IRA were political terrorists though, motivated by politics.
Brought about by the division of Ireland into Catholic and Protestant governed states. However, a terrorist bomb is a terrorist bomb, whether planted for Religion or the State. I do not distinguish between the two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
The Bible was not telling these people to hate,
And the Koran states that Jews and Christians are Children of the Book, worshipping the same God (Allah), it does not say they should be hated. The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA and its Allies to destabilize the 'Middle East'. Those indoctrinating young Muslims need only point out that these States' actions are un-Christian, thus forfeiting the Koran's protection, allowing their hatred fre rein. We make it too easy for the fundamentalists working on impressionable minds.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another.
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Why single out Muslims
There are indeed enclaves of other cultures (Polish and so on) but they're nowhere near as entrenched, pervasive or widespread. Neither are they multiplying at an increased rate, nor are they causing any real problems. I'd rather there be no enclaves of any culture, but give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Brought about
Irrelevant. People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded. Yet again you are ignoring the fact that Muslims are taught to hate by their religious text and their leaders. You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled. If you don't understand this and instead continue to dodge and ignore this issue you are the very reason we are sleepwalking into destruction.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims, even from the very birth of Pakistan. Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too? To ignore centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions and instead blame everything on near-recent events is incredibly ignorant.
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Agree. But then, I don't call that a "true" religion.
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Irrelevant. They do call it a true religion and it teaches them hate and intolerance thus the problems we're seeing today.