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  • N Nelek

    Maximilien wrote:

    If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss.

    Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users... So far the universe is winning

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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    BryanFazekas
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    The universe will always win.

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    • M Marc Clifton

      Examples (#'s have been removed):

      P O BOX
      P.O. BOX
      PMB
      PO B0X
      PO BO X
      PO BOK
      PO BOS
      BOX

      :sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc

      Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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      Harrison Pratt
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      I did an mailing list cleanup like this in the Jurassic era using dBase ][. I ended up trimming excess blanks, doing upper/lower case normalization and translation table lookup for common variants to translate. I don't remember how I identified exceptions back then, but now I'd use a dialog with options to add a option to manually correct, ignore (add to lookup as IGNORE string), add a translation record. Then there is the problem of dealing with addresses foreign to your country ... whew! Yup, this a problem to be managed, not solved, if unfiltered inputs are continuously added.

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      • M Maximilien

        You really need to parse addresses ?If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss. :confused:

        I'd rather be phishing!

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        Marc Clifton
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        Maximilien wrote:

        You really need to parse addresses ?If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss.

        Sadly yes. And outliers are acceptable as we're trying to fill in some form fields that break out address, PO Box, and Rural Routes, and if everything fails, the address just gets put into the Address1 field. We're aiming for improvement rather than perfection. :) Marc

        Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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        • T Tim Carmichael

          When we put our mail on vacation hold, it validates and 'normalizes' the address, so I do understand what you're working with. Where I grew up, our address was RR#1; it wasn't until I was in my teens that we had an address with a number and street name. So.. consider this.. are you only dealing with P.O. and its variants or do you have R.R. addresses as well?

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          englebart
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          I think the counties try to eliminate RR addresses when they implement 911 emergency service. Ambulance dispatcher: Code red, RR 23, box 99 ... Ambulance navigator: We are on the correct Route... 1 mailbox, 2 mailbox, etc...

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Examples (#'s have been removed):

            P O BOX
            P.O. BOX
            PMB
            PO B0X
            PO BO X
            PO BOK
            PO BOS
            BOX

            :sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc

            Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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            englebart
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            My guess on the "K" is that some robot filled it in based on a record created via OCR. The United States Post office has a service you can use to "normalize" addresses. I suspect that each country has something similar. There is probably a service provider that aggregates all of these normalization services into one spot. (Amazon?)

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Examples (#'s have been removed):

              P O BOX
              P.O. BOX
              PMB
              PO B0X
              PO BO X
              PO BOK
              PO BOS
              BOX

              :sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc

              Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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              Dan Neely
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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'.

              Optically Corrupted Recognition?

              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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              • M Marc Clifton

                RR, CR, HC, etc., as well as regular street addresses (as best as those are). Perfect accuracy is not necessary, just best guess. :) Marc

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                agolddog
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                Well, then just parse the city & state/province and geocode to the center of that.

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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  I smell OCR in the mix - hence the BOK, BOS, B0X, etc.

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  vtokar
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                  :thumbsup:

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                  • T Tim Carmichael

                    When we put our mail on vacation hold, it validates and 'normalizes' the address, so I do understand what you're working with. Where I grew up, our address was RR#1; it wasn't until I was in my teens that we had an address with a number and street name. So.. consider this.. are you only dealing with P.O. and its variants or do you have R.R. addresses as well?

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                    kristopher baker
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                    Excellent point. Are there services that allow you to force user input validation of addresses against the USPS databases?

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      Examples (#'s have been removed):

                      P O BOX
                      P.O. BOX
                      PMB
                      PO B0X
                      PO BO X
                      PO BOK
                      PO BOS
                      BOX

                      :sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc

                      Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                      MikeTheFid
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                      Your could fashion the UI to eliminate the need to parse P.O. Box... etc. Have a drop down that contains these options: Street #, P.O. Box, RR#, CR, HC, etc And to the right of it, place a text box that accepts the actual number. Just a thought off the top.

                      Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.

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                      • C Chris Losinger

                        welcome to my life

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                        Vikram A Punathambekar
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                        Woah... haven't seen you in a long time Chris. How's it going these days?

                        Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:

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                        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                          Woah... haven't seen you in a long time Chris. How's it going these days?

                          Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:

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                          Chris Losinger
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                          i'm here occasionally. not constantly, as previously. it goes... on and on and on and on. :)

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                          • F fmsalmeida

                            Nelek wrote:

                            Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users...

                            You made my day with this phrase!

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                            Nelek
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                            You are welcome :) :-D

                            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              Examples (#'s have been removed):

                              P O BOX
                              P.O. BOX
                              PMB
                              PO B0X
                              PO BO X
                              PO BOK
                              PO BOS
                              BOX

                              :sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc

                              Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                              Lost User
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                              Just say: "We don't deliver to postal boxes; addresses only". (For real-time, I use online address validation services).

                              "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                              • C Chris Losinger

                                i'm here occasionally. not constantly, as previously. it goes... on and on and on and on. :)

                                image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                                Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                I still remember your old profile pic - with hand on your thoughtful face. Got it somewhere? :)

                                Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:

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                                • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                  I still remember your old profile pic - with hand on your thoughtful face. Got it somewhere? :)

                                  Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:

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                                  Rage
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                                  Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                  Got it somewhere

                                  He probably has his face at the same bbody place you have yours. :rolleyes:

                                  Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Examples (#'s have been removed):

                                    P O BOX
                                    P.O. BOX
                                    PMB
                                    PO B0X
                                    PO BO X
                                    PO BOK
                                    PO BOS
                                    BOX

                                    :sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc

                                    Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                    Peter Adam
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                                    Maybe who entered used Hungarian autocorrect in, let's say, Word. box autocorrects to boksz, [s]he tried to correct that to something sounding right, but deleted the wrong letter. Or gave up fighting autocorrect :)

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                                    • R Rage

                                      Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                      Got it somewhere

                                      He probably has his face at the same bbody place you have yours. :rolleyes:

                                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                      Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                      Smarty pants ;P

                                      Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:

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