Infinite Universe?
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Super Lloyd wrote:
Imagine you are an ant on the surface of the doughnut.... What do you find at the end of the doughnut?
I see empty space above the doughnut. But perception does not change reality in this case.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Out of curiosity.. didn't you understand my explanation? or are you trolling? I am really confused whether I need to explain or not...
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Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite and therefore the number of planets orbiting said stars, that can support human-like life, is infinite and therefore the chance of there being at least one other human-like civilisation is infinitely close to 1. Therefore, do you think they would all have developed a Windows 10 O/S?
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Forogar wrote:
Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite
Say what? You lost me right there.
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Possibly not. In which case, what is beyond the edges of this non-infinite universe? More universes? If so, what demarcates the edges of this one and the edges of the others? Can they not all be part of a larger universe? PS. My finite brain has just thrown a "Value out of range Exception"!
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Forogar wrote:
what is beyond the edges of this non-infinite universe?
IMO, the question cannot be answered because nothingness is still conceptually "the lack of something", so there is no "beyond," but that's similarly a null reference exception! But realistically, I suspect no one, even given an infinite amount of time, would ever be able to know, because the universe will end before we can reach even the point where light from the edge could reach us. Now, that's another conundrum -- if the universe ends in time, what does it end as? Marc
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Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite and therefore the number of planets orbiting said stars, that can support human-like life, is infinite and therefore the chance of there being at least one other human-like civilisation is infinitely close to 1. Therefore, do you think they would all have developed a Windows 10 O/S?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
How can something run into infinite if it had a beginning. What i want to say is, that the universe is bound to the subject that made it possible. So for example once the Sustainer disposes it, it no longer can be infinite it will be set to absolute nothing. Only in theoretical Math values can have a beginning and be infinite, but again, even so, when the environment is disposed, then that loop will also crash, because there will be no spectator and no physics. Do you not realize that the world is programmed just as you program something, only the Creator of everything is exactly knowing what He is doing, He is most-excellent at it. Do you expect yourself a programer and your apps intelligent design, while the universe and "life" came from Nothing?
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I know. I was providing something for you to walk on. The point is if you could travel faster than the speed of light toward the end of the Universe then at some point all energy would be exhausted (not from travel but from the limit naturally created by an end of energy and you'd be at the end of the Universe. A physical thing must have an end -- a physical thing without an end is only theoretical. That is why we call it physical and not metaphysical. And I'm not saying that only in theory does the Universe end, I'm saying in fact it does because it is a physical object (we physical objects know this and study this and have our existence in a physical Universe). The instant you say the Universe is otherwise is the same instant it becomes non-physical and my final point then is that "all bets are off". So, the Universe (as studied by Scientists,Philosophers and Mathematicians) is a physical beast and as such has a limit and so has an end. Now you've heard the end of this discussion. :) Since, I've decided I am right. Yes, I'm kidding, but I do think what I've said makes sense. The Universe, if physical -- and it is, must have a limit. And if it isn't physical, then we aren't either. :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
The Universe, if physical -- and it is, must have a limit.
No.
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Out of curiosity.. didn't you understand my explanation? or are you trolling? I am really confused whether I need to explain or not...
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Super Lloyd wrote:
didn't you understand my explanation?
I guess not. You asked a bunch of questions so I don't see that as an explanation.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
didn't you understand my explanation?
I guess not. You asked a bunch of questions so I don't see that as an explanation.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
If you are a one dimensional being living on a circle like universe. The circle has no end, yet it is finished. If you are a 2 dimensional being living on a sphere or a doughnut like universe, your universe has no end yet it is finished. There is a good chance we live on some kind of hypersphere... The question here were to make you think. It failed apparently. To be exact not a 3D space floating in a 4D universe.... a 3D universe of its own with such properties as a 3D sphere in 4D universe...
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If you say it loud enough, we won't notice that you spelt it wrong! :laugh:
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I don't know how to spell it on english, that's on spanish
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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raddevus wrote:
The Universe, if physical -- and it is, must have a limit.
No.
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If you are a one dimensional being living on a circle like universe. The circle has no end, yet it is finished. If you are a 2 dimensional being living on a sphere or a doughnut like universe, your universe has no end yet it is finished. There is a good chance we live on some kind of hypersphere... The question here were to make you think. It failed apparently. To be exact not a 3D space floating in a 4D universe.... a 3D universe of its own with such properties as a 3D sphere in 4D universe...
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If the laws of the universe are the same throughout the universe then the answer must be, "unfortunately yes". :-D
True but considering Yin /Yang Parallel universe concept, Windows 10 os would be opensource and widely welcomed and Linux would be closed source lol. Linus would be in Bill's position . :-D
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Forogar wrote:
Assuming the Universe is infinite
Fortunately the universe is not. ;) Marc
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Seems like that's an integer underflow problem -- you need a bigger processor.
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Google it and you'll find the "proof" (as in mathematical proof) that shows how the number was derived.
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Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite and therefore the number of planets orbiting said stars, that can support human-like life, is infinite and therefore the chance of there being at least one other human-like civilisation is infinitely close to 1. Therefore, do you think they would all have developed a Windows 10 O/S?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
According to Einstein, the only two infinite things are the universe and human stupidity, but he was not sure about the universe.
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Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite and therefore the number of planets orbiting said stars, that can support human-like life, is infinite and therefore the chance of there being at least one other human-like civilisation is infinitely close to 1. Therefore, do you think they would all have developed a Windows 10 O/S?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
It just doesn't matter. We are sitting on one of know one even has a really good guess how many planets. There's no way, from here, to know if the Universe is or isn't infinite. I just don't care. :zzz:
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Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite and therefore the number of planets orbiting said stars, that can support human-like life, is infinite and therefore the chance of there being at least one other human-like civilisation is infinitely close to 1. Therefore, do you think they would all have developed a Windows 10 O/S?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
There ARE bridges too far to cross. They may have avoided Windows 10 but likely are hung up on Doors 21.
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raddevus wrote:
So, science cannot deal with infinite.
Indeed. One of the reasons the number zero was not adopted by many cultures and banned by various religions is that the number zero leads to the problem of infinity, and only God can be infinite. That said, on theological grounds, since God is infinite, and infinite God could only exist in a finite universe, so I retract my statement that the universe is not infinite. ;) Marc
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raddevus wrote:
So, science cannot deal with infinite.
Indeed. One of the reasons the number zero was not adopted by many cultures and banned by various religions is that the number zero leads to the problem of infinity, and only God can be infinite. That said, on theological grounds, since God is infinite, and infinite God could only exist in a finite universe, so I retract my statement that the universe is not infinite. ;) Marc
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Google it and you'll find the "proof" (as in mathematical proof) that shows how the number was derived.
Richard Deeming had a link and I was being facetious and snarky. :-D Pretty cool math.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Assuming the Universe is infinite then the number of stars in said Universe must also be infinite and therefore the number of planets orbiting said stars, that can support human-like life, is infinite and therefore the chance of there being at least one other human-like civilisation is infinitely close to 1. Therefore, do you think they would all have developed a Windows 10 O/S?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
There was one like this that I loved... On any planet in which intelligent life is found, the probability that they will explain their existence on a God is 1... To the original post, even if infinite, it may be the case that intelligence is only on one planet at a time! And I can't wait for Earths turn!
