On alarmist crap, otherwise known as climate change...
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Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles | The Independent[^] "The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world." That was in 2009. We just passed 96 months this week. Of course anyone who disagreed with him was a 'denier'. :) And people wonder why we dont take them seriously...
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Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles | The Independent[^] "The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world." That was in 2009. We just passed 96 months this week. Of course anyone who disagreed with him was a 'denier'. :) And people wonder why we dont take them seriously...
Well... he could still be right about it. That nothing catastrophic has happened yet, doesn't mean that we can still save the world. There are a lot of physics and chemistry processes where the point of no return is much earlier than the result of that process ;P ;P ;P :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Well... he could still be right about it. That nothing catastrophic has happened yet, doesn't mean that we can still save the world. There are a lot of physics and chemistry processes where the point of no return is much earlier than the result of that process ;P ;P ;P :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Nelek wrote:
There are a lot of physics and chemistry processes where the point of no return is much earlier than the result of that process
I am sure you will be happy to name a few. :)
Nelek wrote:
That nothing catastrophic has happened yet, doesn't mean that we can still save the world.
You mean 'can't' surely?
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Nelek wrote:
There are a lot of physics and chemistry processes where the point of no return is much earlier than the result of that process
I am sure you will be happy to name a few. :)
Nelek wrote:
That nothing catastrophic has happened yet, doesn't mean that we can still save the world.
You mean 'can't' surely?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
You mean 'can't' surely?
Actually no, I meant "can" I though my ironic joke was clear enough. Note: I do can maybe have said it wrongly (non native speaker here)
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
You mean 'can't' surely?
Actually no, I meant "can" I though my ironic joke was clear enough. Note: I do can maybe have said it wrongly (non native speaker here)
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OK. So, no examples of such chemical or physical processes then? ;)
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OK. So, no examples of such chemical or physical processes then? ;)
i.e. Throw a stone on water... in the moment the stone leaves your hand there is no return, but the waves on water surface didn't happened yet.
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i.e. Throw a stone on water... in the moment the stone leaves your hand there is no return, but the waves on water surface didn't happened yet.
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Oh, I thought you were going to provide some insight into a complicated process or system. Chucking a stone in water is pretty simplistic dont you think? I already had a better example, the alignment of stressed bonds in metal prior to a fracture (which actually causes hardening just prior to the fracture). This can be undone by annealing, but in any case is still an example of a change prior to its visible impact. As for being reversible though, given that an el-nino year can result in a surface warming and cooling of 1 C, over a couple of years: Wood for Trees: Interactive Graphs[^] that adding 0.8 C over a century can be undone over a century?
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Oh, I thought you were going to provide some insight into a complicated process or system. Chucking a stone in water is pretty simplistic dont you think? I already had a better example, the alignment of stressed bonds in metal prior to a fracture (which actually causes hardening just prior to the fracture). This can be undone by annealing, but in any case is still an example of a change prior to its visible impact. As for being reversible though, given that an el-nino year can result in a surface warming and cooling of 1 C, over a couple of years: Wood for Trees: Interactive Graphs[^] that adding 0.8 C over a century can be undone over a century?
Why to make it more complicated than needed? The point is, there are ;P As per el_nino year... I stop the discussion here. I just did a joke about what the prince said. That's all. About how we are scrapping the planet.. I already have my opinion, in a lot of points we agree, in other we won't ever agree.
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Why to make it more complicated than needed? The point is, there are ;P As per el_nino year... I stop the discussion here. I just did a joke about what the prince said. That's all. About how we are scrapping the planet.. I already have my opinion, in a lot of points we agree, in other we won't ever agree.
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I used to think man was a cancer on the planet, but in reality, as I have matured, I see us as just monkeys with brains, who use the planet like every other animal does. So in the same way a colony of sea birds turns their nesting site (entire islands) into an unholy mountain of white excrement, man has the propensity to do the same. We need to guard against doing that, and we do. We can always do better though, but I no longer see us as not being entitled to use the planet.
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Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles | The Independent[^] "The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world." That was in 2009. We just passed 96 months this week. Of course anyone who disagreed with him was a 'denier'. :) And people wonder why we dont take them seriously...
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I used to think man was a cancer on the planet, but in reality, as I have matured, I see us as just monkeys with brains, who use the planet like every other animal does. So in the same way a colony of sea birds turns their nesting site (entire islands) into an unholy mountain of white excrement, man has the propensity to do the same. We need to guard against doing that, and we do. We can always do better though, but I no longer see us as not being entitled to use the planet.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So in the same way a colony of sea birds turns their nesting site (entire islands) into an unholy mountain of white excrement, man has the propensity to do the same.
One of the biggest differences is, that mountain of excrement will be the aliment for other specie or will be somehow naturally used / recycled. Plastic, radioactive waste and other kind of crap we (and only we) produce, is a number too high for that natural process. Please note I am not saying it is impossible for the nature to get ride of them, only that the efforts / time needed for that are huge in comparison. But, as I already said other times, I am neither a saint nor an activist. I like the freedom I have going to work with my car instead of the public transportation, I like the benefits of technology and living in "first world". I just try to reduce my part of "harm to the world" as much as I can without affecting my life, avoiding what I don't consider really needed for me or my family.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We can always do better though, but I no longer see us as not being entitled to use the planet.
I have no problem with us using it, the only problem I have is with abusing it.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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You must be a very happy man. Every day you wake up and the planet is still there is another schadenfreude fest.
How is the planet being there every day 'taking pleasure in someone else's misfortune'?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So in the same way a colony of sea birds turns their nesting site (entire islands) into an unholy mountain of white excrement, man has the propensity to do the same.
One of the biggest differences is, that mountain of excrement will be the aliment for other specie or will be somehow naturally used / recycled. Plastic, radioactive waste and other kind of crap we (and only we) produce, is a number too high for that natural process. Please note I am not saying it is impossible for the nature to get ride of them, only that the efforts / time needed for that are huge in comparison. But, as I already said other times, I am neither a saint nor an activist. I like the freedom I have going to work with my car instead of the public transportation, I like the benefits of technology and living in "first world". I just try to reduce my part of "harm to the world" as much as I can without affecting my life, avoiding what I don't consider really needed for me or my family.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We can always do better though, but I no longer see us as not being entitled to use the planet.
I have no problem with us using it, the only problem I have is with abusing it.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I think we agree on that.
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Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles | The Independent[^] "The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world." That was in 2009. We just passed 96 months this week. Of course anyone who disagreed with him was a 'denier'. :) And people wonder why we dont take them seriously...
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We just passed 96 months this week.
I think he may have forgotten to carry the 1 in his calculations. :-D
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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How is the planet being there every day 'taking pleasure in someone else's misfortune'?
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles | The Independent[^] "The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world." That was in 2009. We just passed 96 months this week. Of course anyone who disagreed with him was a 'denier'. :) And people wonder why we dont take them seriously...
So, I recall reading an article some time ago about the planet already having crossed the point of no return with regard to 'devastating' climate change. I Googled, and this article seems like what I'm probably thinking of: The World Passes 400 PPM Threshold. Permanently[^] That was back in late September of 2016. The gist here is that, at this point, we can only keep things from getting worse. Those bad things that scientists have been warning everyone about for decades? They're going to happen. They're already happening. Even if we stopped all artificial addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, coastal regions are still going to flood, coral reefs are still going to be damaged, and heat waves and droughts are going to get worse. We are past the point of being able to avoid any serious consequences. We're in the damage mitigation phase now. And our lovely denier 'President' Trump decided he didn't want any part of the Paris Climate Agreement. Good job. Guess he would prefer the White House to be beach-front property... :doh:
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So, I recall reading an article some time ago about the planet already having crossed the point of no return with regard to 'devastating' climate change. I Googled, and this article seems like what I'm probably thinking of: The World Passes 400 PPM Threshold. Permanently[^] That was back in late September of 2016. The gist here is that, at this point, we can only keep things from getting worse. Those bad things that scientists have been warning everyone about for decades? They're going to happen. They're already happening. Even if we stopped all artificial addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, coastal regions are still going to flood, coral reefs are still going to be damaged, and heat waves and droughts are going to get worse. We are past the point of being able to avoid any serious consequences. We're in the damage mitigation phase now. And our lovely denier 'President' Trump decided he didn't want any part of the Paris Climate Agreement. Good job. Guess he would prefer the White House to be beach-front property... :doh:
You know you have just opened Pandora's Box, don't you?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Ah, OK. :confused:
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So, I recall reading an article some time ago about the planet already having crossed the point of no return with regard to 'devastating' climate change. I Googled, and this article seems like what I'm probably thinking of: The World Passes 400 PPM Threshold. Permanently[^] That was back in late September of 2016. The gist here is that, at this point, we can only keep things from getting worse. Those bad things that scientists have been warning everyone about for decades? They're going to happen. They're already happening. Even if we stopped all artificial addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, coastal regions are still going to flood, coral reefs are still going to be damaged, and heat waves and droughts are going to get worse. We are past the point of being able to avoid any serious consequences. We're in the damage mitigation phase now. And our lovely denier 'President' Trump decided he didn't want any part of the Paris Climate Agreement. Good job. Guess he would prefer the White House to be beach-front property... :doh:
You see this is where we disagree. Everything you are saying sounds like nothing more than 'chicken little, the sky is falling' alarmism, which is based not in science, but in fantasy. There is nothing to worry about. A bit of sea level rise, a bit of warming, much more plant growth. Thats what science AND data actually say. Take a look out the window. What do you see thats a problem?