VB haters, look away
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
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The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
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The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
Quote:
The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Who cares as long as they don't model anything after time honored VB practices. Variants, anybody?
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Who cares as long as they don't model anything after time honored VB practices. Variants, anybody?
Care for a slice of nested GOTO statements? X|
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Care for a slice of nested GOTO statements? X|
Global variables! Shirley you like global variables!
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
Citation? I always wanted to do that once. I used to be too trusting and took everybody's word for everything. :-) I do remember hearing about the C++ part, but was copying Java not the typical accusation from the Javaites, used to dismiss C# as cheap imitation?
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Citation? I always wanted to do that once. I used to be too trusting and took everybody's word for everything. :-) I do remember hearing about the C++ part, but was copying Java not the typical accusation from the Javaites, used to dismiss C# as cheap imitation?
[Visual J++ - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual\_J%2B%2B)
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Microsoft later developed the C# ("C Sharp") language as the primary language for the .NET platform, which was in many ways influenced by Java; subsequently the .NET Framework shares many ideas in common with Java. Much like Java, C# is compiled to a type of bytecode (called CIL), and runs on top of a virtual machine called the Common Language Runtime in .NET. Visual Studio 2005 was the last release to include J#.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Citation? I always wanted to do that once. I used to be too trusting and took everybody's word for everything. :-) I do remember hearing about the C++ part, but was copying Java not the typical accusation from the Javaites, used to dismiss C# as cheap imitation?
Not a citation, but... When I first read the C# spec in 1999, someone asked me, "isn't that just Microsoft Java?"
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Global variables! Shirley you like global variables!
How could they possibly have omitted
On Error Resume Nextfrom the C# spec?Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
Slacker007 wrote:
C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++
Says you. :-D Here is another quote from a few pages later:
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Because C# is a hybrid of numerous languages, the result is a product that is as syntactically clean (if not cleaner) as Java, is about as simple as VB, and provides just about as much power and flexibility as C + +. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3129-3131). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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For example, like VB, C# supports the notion of class properties (as opposed to traditional getter and setter methods) and optional parameters. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3124-3125). Apress. Kindle Edition.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Global variables! Shirley you like global variables!
Simple problems should have simple solutions. Complex problems should too.
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Not a citation, but... When I first read the C# spec in 1999, someone asked me, "isn't that just Microsoft Java?"
I think everyone thought that at the time.. :) [C Sharp (programming language) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C\_Sharp\_(programming\_language)#History)
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James Gosling, who created the Java programming language in 1994, and Bill Joy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems, the originator of Java, called C# an "imitation" of Java; Gosling further said that "[C# is] sort of Java with reliability, productivity and security deleted."[17][18] Klaus Kreft and Angelika Langer (authors of a C++ streams book) stated in a blog post that "Java and C# are almost identical programming languages.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Slacker007 wrote:
C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++
Says you. :-D Here is another quote from a few pages later:
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Because C# is a hybrid of numerous languages, the result is a product that is as syntactically clean (if not cleaner) as Java, is about as simple as VB, and provides just about as much power and flexibility as C + +. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3129-3131). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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For example, like VB, C# supports the notion of class properties (as opposed to traditional getter and setter methods) and optional parameters. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3124-3125). Apress. Kindle Edition.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Medical fact - quitting VB now will greatly increase your lifespan. No citations needed. :-D
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Not a citation, but... When I first read the C# spec in 1999, someone asked me, "isn't that just Microsoft Java?"
That's what I meant. When they did not want the licenses for J anymore and replaced it with C#, everyone claimed that C# was just a Java clone, totally ignoring that there were plenty of things that went further from the beginning (no primitive data types, a common CLR across .Net languages, properties for objects...)
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[Visual J++ - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual\_J%2B%2B)
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Microsoft later developed the C# ("C Sharp") language as the primary language for the .NET platform, which was in many ways influenced by Java; subsequently the .NET Framework shares many ideas in common with Java. Much like Java, C# is compiled to a type of bytecode (called CIL), and runs on top of a virtual machine called the Common Language Runtime in .NET. Visual Studio 2005 was the last release to include J#.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
Sure, but even C# 1.0 took some things further than Java did at that time.
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
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Sure, but even C# 1.0 took some things further than Java did at that time.
I agree, there was good (and new) stuff from the start - it was kind of like an improved C++/Java language from day one and has evolved from their ever since. J++ had some improvements over Java too, it was just a really poor choice of name that put off both Java and C++ developers from the start.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Slacker007 wrote:
C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++
Says you. :-D Here is another quote from a few pages later:
Quote:
Because C# is a hybrid of numerous languages, the result is a product that is as syntactically clean (if not cleaner) as Java, is about as simple as VB, and provides just about as much power and flexibility as C + +. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3129-3131). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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For example, like VB, C# supports the notion of class properties (as opposed to traditional getter and setter methods) and optional parameters. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3124-3125). Apress. Kindle Edition.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Having properties doesn't mean anything. Other languages have properties. Doesn't mean they're the basis for some other language
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
VB7 runtime, known as .NET.
Sorry, I can't find anything to support this statement. Care to share a link or two. Thanks.
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I agree, there was good (and new) stuff from the start - it was kind of like an improved C++/Java language from day one and has evolved from their ever since. J++ had some improvements over Java too, it was just a really poor choice of name that put off both Java and C++ developers from the start.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
The improvements on J++ were the reason for abandoning J++. Did they not put Microsoft before the choice of removing them or else losing the license for J++?
