This week's Microsoft rant...
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yes, I know I can turn them off... now. I think, I'm still looking for the appropriate setting. Was working last night. Left for a bio break. Came back, laptop at login screen - hmm, password, hmm - all work gone, virtual machines, Visual Studio, browsers, everything gone.... Nailed by the "We're from Microsoft and we've installed updates - elephant you." So, doing a little research this morning on how to turn this off, and I came across this little gem:
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"Prior to the Creators Update, Windows 10 made most of the decisions for you regarding when updates would be installed, and didn't provide ways to tailor the timing to your specific needs," said John Cable, director of program management in the Windows servicing and delivery team. "What we heard back most explicitly was that you want more control over when Windows 10 installs updates. We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time."
The audacious and pompous statement leaves me wondering if anyone at Microsoft worries about developers who have gone postal and are now listening to voices. If I were in a developers' conference and this pompous ass said this, I'd throw things at the stage. Just let me walk into their server room and randomly pull power cords on their servers. Total MS arrogant BS. ---------------------------------------- Years ago, I ran a database group. We mainly used PCs to run X-Windows (the window system that never crashed) to touch Unix development machines. Had an IT guy proudly proclaim that he could reboot anything at any time. Curious I inquired as to his method... smiling he said, "Oh, I just pull the power cord." After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice. I smiled and said, "Well, either your career or your life is going to be cut short. If I get to you first, I'll walk you to the parking lot. If my team gets to you, you might not make it to the parking lot." While I was there, we never had a reboot by surprise...
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time.
They're just figuring this out NOW?!?! Have they not been using Windows at Microsoft?
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Dave Kreskowiak -
I heard MS is going to loosen the screws a bit with the next update in regard to the level of control we have over updates. In the interim, how about stopping the Windows Update service? I do this on my two work computers because I was tired of updates being automatically applied, my computer being rebooted, and me then spending hours (days in some instances) rewinding everything because the update messed up my development environment.
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In some workplaces, doing that for any reason can get you fired.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
yes, I know I can turn them off... now. I think, I'm still looking for the appropriate setting. Was working last night. Left for a bio break. Came back, laptop at login screen - hmm, password, hmm - all work gone, virtual machines, Visual Studio, browsers, everything gone.... Nailed by the "We're from Microsoft and we've installed updates - elephant you." So, doing a little research this morning on how to turn this off, and I came across this little gem:
Quote:
"Prior to the Creators Update, Windows 10 made most of the decisions for you regarding when updates would be installed, and didn't provide ways to tailor the timing to your specific needs," said John Cable, director of program management in the Windows servicing and delivery team. "What we heard back most explicitly was that you want more control over when Windows 10 installs updates. We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time."
The audacious and pompous statement leaves me wondering if anyone at Microsoft worries about developers who have gone postal and are now listening to voices. If I were in a developers' conference and this pompous ass said this, I'd throw things at the stage. Just let me walk into their server room and randomly pull power cords on their servers. Total MS arrogant BS. ---------------------------------------- Years ago, I ran a database group. We mainly used PCs to run X-Windows (the window system that never crashed) to touch Unix development machines. Had an IT guy proudly proclaim that he could reboot anything at any time. Curious I inquired as to his method... smiling he said, "Oh, I just pull the power cord." After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice. I smiled and said, "Well, either your career or your life is going to be cut short. If I get to you first, I'll walk you to the parking lot. If my team gets to you, you might not make it to the parking lot." While I was there, we never had a reboot by surprise...
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice.
Wow. So he took pride in his incompetence? Any sysadmin with more than 20 minutes worth of experience would know that if rebooting a machine is part of his job, then it's his responsibility to coordinate with whoever might be affected to minimize any disruption. With an attitude like that, I can't imagine that scheduling a reboot at 3:00am on a weekend is something he's ever done. Your response was entirely appropriate.
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In some workplaces, doing that for any reason can get you fired.
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Dave KreskowiakTrue, but this be mine machine :)
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote:
After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice.
Wow. So he took pride in his incompetence? Any sysadmin with more than 20 minutes worth of experience would know that if rebooting a machine is part of his job, then it's his responsibility to coordinate with whoever might be affected to minimize any disruption. With an attitude like that, I can't imagine that scheduling a reboot at 3:00am on a weekend is something he's ever done. Your response was entirely appropriate.
Seriously, I actually thought he was joking for a second - I mean techies do this all the time... right? Then I realized he was serious.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Welcome to the club! I've now gotten back into the habit of not leaving stuff open overnight...Win7 spoiled me for many years. If you find the magic setting, please let us all know! :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
Sort of makes a stable operating system pointless, doesn't it?
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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True, but this be mine machine :)
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
My post was more of a PSA for worker schleps than a note about your specific case. :)
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Seriously, I actually thought he was joking for a second - I mean techies do this all the time... right? Then I realized he was serious.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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"Well, you have to realize that we have a job too"
The saddest part about this attitude is that such a person distances himself from the organizational goals. We all have jobs to do, but there is a REASON why we are doing them.
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yes, I know I can turn them off... now. I think, I'm still looking for the appropriate setting. Was working last night. Left for a bio break. Came back, laptop at login screen - hmm, password, hmm - all work gone, virtual machines, Visual Studio, browsers, everything gone.... Nailed by the "We're from Microsoft and we've installed updates - elephant you." So, doing a little research this morning on how to turn this off, and I came across this little gem:
Quote:
"Prior to the Creators Update, Windows 10 made most of the decisions for you regarding when updates would be installed, and didn't provide ways to tailor the timing to your specific needs," said John Cable, director of program management in the Windows servicing and delivery team. "What we heard back most explicitly was that you want more control over when Windows 10 installs updates. We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time."
The audacious and pompous statement leaves me wondering if anyone at Microsoft worries about developers who have gone postal and are now listening to voices. If I were in a developers' conference and this pompous ass said this, I'd throw things at the stage. Just let me walk into their server room and randomly pull power cords on their servers. Total MS arrogant BS. ---------------------------------------- Years ago, I ran a database group. We mainly used PCs to run X-Windows (the window system that never crashed) to touch Unix development machines. Had an IT guy proudly proclaim that he could reboot anything at any time. Curious I inquired as to his method... smiling he said, "Oh, I just pull the power cord." After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice. I smiled and said, "Well, either your career or your life is going to be cut short. If I get to you first, I'll walk you to the parking lot. If my team gets to you, you might not make it to the parking lot." While I was there, we never had a reboot by surprise...
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
> We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time." Yup, when, despite having set the time for this stuff to happen at a safe time it gets reset by an update, and the next update decided to apply itself (even though the machine was at the time disconnected from the network) while the PC was running sound cue software for a live theatre performance, it's pretty disruptive. Like ticket refund disruptive. £150 worth of ticket refunds, I believe. We have a Mac based system now. W10 had its chance and blew it.
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> We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time." Yup, when, despite having set the time for this stuff to happen at a safe time it gets reset by an update, and the next update decided to apply itself (even though the machine was at the time disconnected from the network) while the PC was running sound cue software for a live theatre performance, it's pretty disruptive. Like ticket refund disruptive. £150 worth of ticket refunds, I believe. We have a Mac based system now. W10 had its chance and blew it.
i like to play with tech I've not been exposed to. The Apple infrastructure has never really interested me, but it certainly can't hurt to expand my knowledge base. Local computer shop has a mac mini for $600, sounds like a training investment. It's small enough to sit on my Linux pizza box.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759