1920x1080 in 21,5" or in 24" what is your preference?
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The bigger monitor is better. Monitor is the device which is the most important because it is the interface to your precious eyes. Because monitors are long lasting devices you should take the best you can afford. I have my Samsung for some 6 years now. :thumbsup:
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Thank you (again) KarstenK! 100% agree. Given the answers I've got, I think I'll go for the bigger one and then put it farther from me. It's not a price question... it is only a matter of being right... I can't see those monitors at the shop as here we don't have Lenovo distributors with physical shops that sell professional products so no way to see any of those displays. so T22i-10[^] or T24i-10[^] and given what everybody has said, I think I'll go for the big ones... It will be similar to what I have now but placed in a mechanical articulated arm, with led backlight and much newer so I guess that much better than my 2003 HP displays. I can't see a better display in the Lenovo web site... I hope I won't miss it and choose the right one... Thank you again.
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Depends on how close you like the screen, both will be fine. Too big too close will hurt the eyes. My set up is a 20" on the desk about arms length away eye level about 2/3 from bottom with a 23" above and slightly behind it. Both 1920 x 1080 with extended desktop oriented to suit (i.e. move the mouse pointer past the top of the 20" to the bottom of the 23"). Also means those bits of paper on the desk are in the same line too. 20": For visual studio, and when not programming general usage (surfing, email, office etc). 23" used during intensive programming - to hold reference info (docs, searched info...) otherwise it's switched off. Being larger prefer it further back so can still see entire screen at a glance.) Yes that's my own personal preference; tried side by side (with same size screens) but found it like working in a tanning bed, harder on the eyes and actually suffered more migraines (- not fun.) (Also the screen above makes a good mirror when it's off, can see people behind me.)
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Too big too close will hurt the eyes.
If your monitor hurts your eyes, you're either still using a CRT at 60Hz, or the brightness is way too high. I have a 40" 4K TV I use as a monitor, at arm's length (among others). *All* my monitors have their brightness set to 50%, at the very most - some are at 33%, others even down to 25%. I can sit in front of this 16 hours a day and my eyes don't get tired. Crank the contrast a bit to compensate if you must. Just don't set a computer monitor like you would a TV you use to watch movies.
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
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1080? For programming? What kind of peasantry is that? :)
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Hi Arthur, First of all, thank you for your post. I'm interested on: Lenovo T22i-10[^] Lenovo T24i-10[^] The datasheet of both monitors can be found here: T22i-10.pdf[^] T24i-10.pdf[^] In my case I will have two monitors placed side by side attached to a double mechanical arm that will ensure the same height on both. Thank you for giving your opinion.
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Thanks for your reply to my posts. :) It's great that you can afford both monitors. :) Dell T-series monitors is a very good choice, whereas Lenovo basically depends on a model. As for me, I would purchase Dell T-22i-10. I followed the link and review tech specs of this monitor. It's really great. :)
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I will end buying two of them and place them side by side so no way I'll get two big beasts of 27 or more! :laugh: I was worried about the pixel density, but it seems that most people here thinks bigger is better keeping the same resolution so... Probably I will go this way. The problem I have is that is very difficult to see Lenovo and/or Dell displays at the typical places you can get this kind of gadgets here in Catalonia... So I'll have to get them online and therefore is really difficult to evaluate them, but based on the numbers Lenovo ThinkVision T22i-10 or T24i-10 (the T23i-10 seems not to be available) look nice and interesting. Thank you for your post and comment! :thumbsup:
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Hi. I'm sorry for my post late because I was extremely busy yesterday (e.g. upgrading to macOS Sierra :)) so I couldn't respond in time and now it's late night at the place where I'm located in. :) And yes, you can buy the either Dell or Lenovo and try out them both. I know very little about Lenovo, *BUT* as for Dell's monitors, it's a very good choice. Particularly I use an Acer monitor, which size is of 27" inches, and I'm so much happy with it. :) It provides an undistorted colorful sharp picture and has a unique retina surface coating.
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1080? For programming? What kind of peasantry is that? :)
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
I suppose I would opt for higher resolution for when I need it and change text size etc. with ctrl + scroll. I am spoiled though from using a true 4K 31" monitor and I can't imagine scaling down now. Strange thing I experienced is when I used the monitor in 3840 x 2160 mode icons and dialog boxes did not increase scale, but when I Switched to 4096 x 2160 mode, everything scaled appropriately and I find it very comfortable. With a monitor this size, I can use the single screen as two by using Window Key + left arrow and selecting the second app after that. Thank you Joan for another interesting question.
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I suppose I would opt for higher resolution for when I need it and change text size etc. with ctrl + scroll. I am spoiled though from using a true 4K 31" monitor and I can't imagine scaling down now. Strange thing I experienced is when I used the monitor in 3840 x 2160 mode icons and dialog boxes did not increase scale, but when I Switched to 4096 x 2160 mode, everything scaled appropriately and I find it very comfortable. With a monitor this size, I can use the single screen as two by using Window Key + left arrow and selecting the second app after that. Thank you Joan for another interesting question.
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Hi Rollin! Your set up seems amazing. :cool: 4096x2160!!! In the best scenario I've thought of I will be getting 3840x1080 getting two monitors... To me using two displays was a great improvement in terms of productivity so I won't go this way until I buy the next display for our home PC (probably it will be time to try a curved monster display if money allows it). Now I own two 24" LCD HP monitors which from the first day have killed my eyesight. And I can't understand why... I've read out there that LED backlight helps reducing eye stress. I have another 22" display from HP which has led backlight and it is much better, but I can't know if it is due the resolution 1920*1080 in a smaller display (22") or if it is only due to the led backlight. The 24" LCD HP monitors are from 2003 and therefore they will be much worse than whatever I can buy today... PS: To be honest I was a little worried to post those questions into the Lounge... I don't want to kidnap it... Again, thank you for your comments!
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
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Not an option here. Believe me or not, but I'll have a set up of 3 displays (laptop + two 22" or 24") and I really hate now when I try to move the cursor from the big ones to the laptop one it can be a nightmare if you have the cursor below the 1080. Well, not a nightmare but it can be annoying. Moreover the displays I can get at my TI provider mostly are 1080p or much bigger. We are speaking of 120px which I can live without. Thank you for your comment.
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
I run three 22" monitors 1600x1200 in portrait mode for Visual Studio, etc. and one 24" 1920x1080 in landscape for everything that looks better in landscape - plus a couple of others that I keep changing.
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I run three 22" monitors 1600x1200 in portrait mode for Visual Studio, etc. and one 24" 1920x1080 in landscape for everything that looks better in landscape - plus a couple of others that I keep changing.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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No joke icon so I guess you are being serious here... If that's the case... is the 24" at 1920x1080 blurry or worse in terms of eye strain? Thank you for your post.
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I keep the brightness at 50%, the contrast a little higher than default and the screen is clean - no smudges or fingerprints on my non-touch screens. I get no eye-strain at all that I am aware of and I use these screens, arranged side by side in a curve all to be about 30" away from my face, for a 10 to 12 hour day, every day. I have almost the same arrangement at home which I use in the evenings and weekends with no noticeable eye-strain. I have no idea what the dpi of any of these are - it doesn't matter, they are all clear and readable and running at 100% text setting. I run Visual Studio using Consolas 9pt for my text and it is clear and easy. I only zoom it when I am showing someone something and they are looking over my shoulder. Often they say they don't need that so it must be clear enough for them too. [Edit] The important thing is to run the screens at their "native" resolution. I had a complaint from a user that even though she ran the screen at 1024x768 it was still blurry. I increased the resolution to the native 1280x1024 which she complained about, "Now it's going to be small AND blurry" but it turned out that it was slightly smaller text but crystal clear and so easier to read and no eye-strain. She was, amazingly, happy.
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I will end buying two of them and place them side by side so no way I'll get two big beasts of 27 or more! :laugh: I was worried about the pixel density, but it seems that most people here thinks bigger is better keeping the same resolution so... Probably I will go this way. The problem I have is that is very difficult to see Lenovo and/or Dell displays at the typical places you can get this kind of gadgets here in Catalonia... So I'll have to get them online and therefore is really difficult to evaluate them, but based on the numbers Lenovo ThinkVision T22i-10 or T24i-10 (the T23i-10 seems not to be available) look nice and interesting. Thank you for your post and comment! :thumbsup:
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10% DPI isn't a huge deal either way. I'd go for the 24's if you've got the space. If your budget permits I'd consider higher DPI models; glitches are W10 are rare enough now to not be a major issue and the extra pixels make the text a lot clearer. The Dell P2416D[^] is only $300 here. No clue if you can find it at a reasonable price where you are. I've seen similar monitors for as little as $200; but the cheapest ones don't have VESA mounting points; so they won't work with your monitor arm. :sigh:
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
I've always preferred 1920x1200, but its getting really difficult to find monitors in that resolution/aspect ratio. Whatever the resolution, 24" seems to be the current "sweet-spot", although 27" is becoming more popular. EDIT TO ADD: For anyone who finds it difficult keeping straight the various resolutions and their aspect ratios, like I do, there is a great image on this wiki page that helps.
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
I finally got them to give me two 24" to replace the two 22" I had. A world better. Two x 24" also what I have at home.
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10% DPI isn't a huge deal either way. I'd go for the 24's if you've got the space. If your budget permits I'd consider higher DPI models; glitches are W10 are rare enough now to not be a major issue and the extra pixels make the text a lot clearer. The Dell P2416D[^] is only $300 here. No clue if you can find it at a reasonable price where you are. I've seen similar monitors for as little as $200; but the cheapest ones don't have VESA mounting points; so they won't work with your monitor arm. :sigh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Hi Dan! Thank you for posting. I've just seen a Lenovo P24H-10 which is 23.8" has 2560 x 1440 resolution VESA compatible and costs only 30€ more than what I'm looking at. Will I have problems with that resolution in a 23.8 display? Of course the monitor and the price are wonderful, but... is it a good choice? Mainly I'm programming, office, mails, internet... Thank you again.
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Hi Dan! Thank you for posting. I've just seen a Lenovo P24H-10 which is 23.8" has 2560 x 1440 resolution VESA compatible and costs only 30€ more than what I'm looking at. Will I have problems with that resolution in a 23.8 display? Of course the monitor and the price are wonderful, but... is it a good choice? Mainly I'm programming, office, mails, internet... Thank you again.
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I've been using high DPI for a year and a half on my laptop and as 1 screen of three on my work laptop for the last 9. I haven't had any issues; just set the scaling in windows to an appropraite level and enjoy the sharper text. If you're working on old WinForm apps, you might have scaling problems with them. OTOH that's just bringing forward that some winform controls don't scale nicely, and AFAIK any custom layout math you did needs to have the DPI factor in to work right. But those're problems any end users on newer systems are running into anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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What would you choose? Same monitor series, no price difference. 1920x1080. A) 21,5" => 102 dpi.[^] B) 24" => 93 dpi.[^] For programming. Two monitors side by side. Mounted on articulated arm. Thank you all!
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
For many years I've been using 3 monitors. These are 20" Viewsonic VP2030b at 1200 X 1600 resolution. These all failed after about 4 years - I had a shop replace all the capacitors on the Main boards and they all work great again - hopefully forever? Contrast = 60 and brightness = 40. Recently dropped brightness - big help! In Windows 10 try CALIBRATE DISPLAY COLOR which is hard to find. Select settings and then type in 'Calibrate Display Color'. Set Gamma (makes a difference), test for correct brightness and contrast, and go through the Clear Text setting last. I now have all the monitors set correctly and set the same. Now I can last for 10 - 12 hours.
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I've been using high DPI for a year and a half on my laptop and as 1 screen of three on my work laptop for the last 9. I haven't had any issues; just set the scaling in windows to an appropraite level and enjoy the sharper text. If you're working on old WinForm apps, you might have scaling problems with them. OTOH that's just bringing forward that some winform controls don't scale nicely, and AFAIK any custom layout math you did needs to have the DPI factor in to work right. But those're problems any end users on newer systems are running into anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt