Manual transmission or automatic transmission?
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I'm a lazy bastard so I own an automatic but I love driving and miss the control a manual gearbox give you. Changing to sports mode and manually selecting a gear just isn't the same.
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I love driving and miss the control a manual gearbox give you
Our winter weather is nasty here in Ohio, U.S. From November through March it's an ever-varying parade of rain, sleet, freezing rain, snow of various sorts, and ice. I've never felt safe driving an automatic in those conditions. They never shift when you expect them to and they don't do engine braking worth a damn. That's why my most recent car purchase was a front-wheel drive Honda Civic with a 5-speed manual transmission.
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My first car, an early 60's hilman I needed to double clutch particularly changing down - didn't know that that car was so far ahead of it's time. These days all the things that were wrong with automatics (used more gas, needed repair more often, costlier) are no longer true. For ordinary driving particularly commuting (i.e. traffic jams) auto really is better - no longer young so way past the need to drop wheelspins at every traffic light. For driving between cities auto/manual same-o same-o (but consider for very long drives usually cruise control integrates better with auto). One stage had 15 cars - mostly auto but had one well set up older manual (and well tuned muscle memory to suit) in which I'd beat any auto and most motorbikes off the line for the first km or so without even thinking about it (most fun was leaving idiots in brand new bmw's behind that tried to pass before lanes merged.) But at the time though most favourite when running local was a 50cc scooter (they called "auto" but in fact some sort of clv set up), could park it anywhere, bypass most jams, and it ran for a fortnight on half a gallon of gas. Top speed 50km/h (30 mph) - could do 60 down hill - fast enough on little wheels.
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These days all the things that were wrong with automatics (used more gas, needed repair more often, costlier) are no longer true.
While I broadly agree with you, the auto's still need repairs more often than manuals. A manual g/box can easily do 500000km while the auto one has to be opened up to replace the clutch-packs at 250000km-300000km. The situation is a lot better than it used to be. In the past you'd need to replace clutch packs in an auto every 100000km-140000km, but it's hard to beat the simplicity of the manual g/box design with its external clutch (which gets replaced independently of the g/box).
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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I used to drive a Series IIA Land Rover - if you had that in the wrong gear your ears would bleed :laugh:
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
I drove automatics for many years while the family was growing up. Now that the kids have flown, I'm back to manual - just for the enjoyment factor. Wife likes it too (though it took some learning there).
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These days all the things that were wrong with automatics (used more gas, needed repair more often, costlier) are no longer true.
While I broadly agree with you, the auto's still need repairs more often than manuals. A manual g/box can easily do 500000km while the auto one has to be opened up to replace the clutch-packs at 250000km-300000km. The situation is a lot better than it used to be. In the past you'd need to replace clutch packs in an auto every 100000km-140000km, but it's hard to beat the simplicity of the manual g/box design with its external clutch (which gets replaced independently of the g/box).
I had to replace the clutch on my 2001 Golf after 300k miles. From what I've seen, the "just as good" amounts to only getting 90% - 94% of the mileage of a manual, when you can find an equivalent car.
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
Manual trannies are fun, whereas auto trannies are dull and efficient - comparable to driving a Ferrari or a Yugo...
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In the US, very few (I'd guess less than 5%) drivers can drive a stick-shift (manual) car.
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im here in the us and drive one every day :cool:
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Manual, but only if you're willing to heel toe shift.
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
Both of my vehicles have manual. More fun to drive. I feel like manual gives me better control when there's a snowstorm or ice. If I bought a new vehicle today, though, I'd probably go automatic. Shifting's become tiresome as I get older, and I'm mostly in city traffic any more. My vehicles are 2002 models, so I haven't looked in a long time. But, it seems like last time I looked, it was actually something I had to order special. I guess automatics have become so reliable and perform so well, there's not really a reason to go manual any more. That being said, I think having the skill is useful. Never know when you'll be somewhere that you need to drive a stick.
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Manual. However, the new 10-speed automatics coming out have proven to be as good, if not better, than a manual on road courses. The down side is that automatic transmission raises the cost of the car by at least a few thousand dollars, so they're more expensive than their manual trans counterparts. Paddle shifters are gay.
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Conversely, finding a used car with a manual will most likely drop the cost considerably. My sister purchased a 1 yr old S10 Blazer for 11K USD while the automatics were costing 20+. Similar ability to driving with a carburetor on a well used car, you know the kind where you don't need an alarm because it takes a special combination of actions to start it and warm it up. Bonus if you can get both a carb & a stick.
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I used to drive a Series IIA Land Rover - if you had that in the wrong gear your ears would bleed :laugh:
I still drive a (slightly more modern) landy. Things haven't improved hugely... :laugh:
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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Not quite, I'd say more like C# vs C++ See, if manual would be an Android phone I wouldn't want it if I am constantly on heavy traffic. And I always want it. On the other hand: C# (automatic): Like heavy traffic, tedious or relaxing ride. Less control over the bear metal. C++ (manual): Like driving for fun, even on a race track. Needs to extract performance by taking advantage of some control skills.
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
I have been driving Manual transmission cars since I got out of the Navy in 1973 and bought a VW Beetle. My wife's car (I got married then too) has always been an automatic transmission. I currently drive a 2004 Honda Accord V6 Coupe with 178500+ miles on it and it still has the original clutch. Living in New Orleans it is no problem. When I have to drive through Atlanta, however stop and go on the interstate is a MAJOR hassle. Those living in the Atlanta area know what I am talking about. That said, given the choice, I will always buy/drive a car with a manual transmission.
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I have been driving Manual transmission cars since I got out of the Navy in 1973 and bought a VW Beetle. My wife's car (I got married then too) has always been an automatic transmission. I currently drive a 2004 Honda Accord V6 Coupe with 178500+ miles on it and it still has the original clutch. Living in New Orleans it is no problem. When I have to drive through Atlanta, however stop and go on the interstate is a MAJOR hassle. Those living in the Atlanta area know what I am talking about. That said, given the choice, I will always buy/drive a car with a manual transmission.
Old programmers need work and love too...
I only drove manuals from 1963 until 2013. Then my wife decided she needed a Merc. I'm still trying to get used to those silly plastic flappy things on the steering wheel for changing gear. They are not as satisfying as a good solid gear stick.
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Auto. Nowadays manual are basically like fax machines, getting redundant. However I'm not a fan of some of these new breed my autos, dual clutch, cvt etc, The car we got for the missus has a dual clutch gearbox and it's a horrible piece of satan blessed sh*t. It's had to be rebuilt by the dealer under warranty. Never touch one of them again. I like the plain old tranditional autos.
My friend came back from Europe. He was stopped at a light in a rental. And the car "stalled"... Later he realized, no, it just shut the engine off to save gas!?!? It came back to life like a golf cart does, he said it took a while to get used to it, but it was different...
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
My dad tried for a year to teach me to drive a standard in 1971. I have an aspergian level of clumsiness and it came down to I can drive well and pay attention or I can shift gears and hit something. When asked to move a standard my usual mode of operation is: Engage Clutch - Shift Gear - Let clutch out gently while subtly increasing gas - Restart engine after it dies. Repeat until car is moved to where desired by small jerks. People do not ask me twice. Seven years later the military spent two months trying to teach me to drive a standard. I did just fine as long as there were no hills and I was on ice. When summer came I couldn't get the thing to move to save my life. Ended up driving an armored personnel carrier... automatic transmission and I already had the 11-ton license... to carry my computer system in the field, instead of the jeep. Now I am 63. Except for occasional problems with a truck rental company for moving... yes, I want the automatic... I've been stuck with automatics for all those years. You know what? Some folks simply do not have the coordination to drive and shift... and I have a perfect driving record. You are much safer with me on the road, and with me on an automatic. In the same vein, I cannot drive a horse, either. I've tried several times, they buck me off. I can't dribble a basketball, catch a fly ball, or kick a football. But women love me and I can code like the devil himself, from assembler and Fortran to Java and Android aps... I've done several. And thanks to forty years of karate, I can walk without falling over, most of the time. So... some folks NEED automatics. I am very happy for those who are more concerned with their "driving experience" and the feeling of power, control, and masculinity that their operation of a vehicle brings. Me, I just want to get there in one piece.
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From my point of view manual transmission is more like an android phone. What do you think?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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"The only people who would buy an old-fashioned gearstick manual are the sort who choose not to have a washing machine because they prefer to clean their clothes in the local river." Jeremy Clarkson
So there you have it.
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