Do you support the concept of revenge hacking?
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Yes, if it involves separating the hackers' heads from their bodies
:thumbsup: I like this thinking!...sends a clear message...better than just a finger or two! Hope you have a speedy recovery with yours! :)
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No, hacking is wrong... plain and simple. (message for those whom I'm wronged) As a side note, most definitely support it. If it wasn't for hackers politicians and large corporations will be left to their own corrupt devices, and we will be pulling at the shorted end. (already very much like that, but gives them something to think about)
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No, hacking is wrong... plain and simple. (message for those whom I'm wronged) As a side note, most definitely support it. If it wasn't for hackers politicians and large corporations will be left to their own corrupt devices, and we will be pulling at the shorted end. (already very much like that, but gives them something to think about)
R. Erasmus wrote:
As a side note, most definitely support it. If it wasn't for hackers politicians and large corporations will be left to their own corrupt devices, and we will be pulling at the shorted end. (already very much like that, but gives them something to think about)
I do not think hackers are stopping politicians or corporations........ Hacking is bad in any form. The above argument from Mr/Ms Erasmus is not acceptable. Just a method to try and justify it. Hackers are a nasty bug in Internet with is slowly being killed by this infection.
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Thank you sir!
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Absolutely! However, as anything, the concept can be abused and it could be used recklessly ending up on causing damage to people that has nothing to do with it.
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Inside the Shadowy World of Revenge Hackers[^]
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Yes. And to those that say "All hacking is Wrong!", wake up and smell the criminal in your house. If someone was holding a gun on you or a loved one, with intent to kill, and if you had the opportunity to kill that criminal before he could pull the trigger, would you hesitate for one instant? Every individual has the right to self defense, to defend themselves defend themselves and their property. The only sane individual against "hacking back" is most likely to be someone that engages in hacking others to steal from them.:mad: Hackers that get hacked themselves have no right to complain.
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R. Erasmus wrote:
As a side note, most definitely support it. If it wasn't for hackers politicians and large corporations will be left to their own corrupt devices, and we will be pulling at the shorted end. (already very much like that, but gives them something to think about)
I do not think hackers are stopping politicians or corporations........ Hacking is bad in any form. The above argument from Mr/Ms Erasmus is not acceptable. Just a method to try and justify it. Hackers are a nasty bug in Internet with is slowly being killed by this infection.
"I do not think hackers are stopping politicians or corporations........" Maybe not yet... but it is definitely exposing some of them. In my country at least. And if this corruption keeps on getting exposed and this happens more frequently, people are going to think twice before going down that road.
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It's a bit like breaking into a suspected thieves house to nick back the stuff you think he stole, and trashing his living room on your way out. It's vigilantism to my mind.
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Back when I had winXP I kept a copy of ping.exe from win95 on it, so that I could send ping of death packets to the jerks.
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I'd much rather see all that effort go into improving security against hacking, or minimizing the damage caused by successful hacks.
So what are you supposed to do when you're watching them try to hack in, right now? You have to have some way to stop them. I must say though, that the point made above about corrupt corps and such, is a very persuasive argument for hacking, which I really do agree with.
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History has shown that revenge never ends well for anyone. With hacking being a crime in most places even leading to the death of hackers when they are caught by other citizens, it is not the safest thing to do in the first place. Revenge hacking ,therefore, is for fools (in my not so humble opinion.)
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History has shown that revenge never ends well for anyone. With hacking being a crime in most places even leading to the death of hackers when they are caught by other citizens, it is not the safest thing to do in the first place. Revenge hacking ,therefore, is for fools (in my not so humble opinion.)
The problem as I see it, is that many hackers hide in foreign countries, like Russia, where they are beyond the reach of our law enforcement agencies. Should we just sit passively by and let these miscreants spread their misery unpunished because they are physically out of reach? If we do, then we are indeed fools! In such cases revenge hacking is justified and a proper course of action.
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Hmmm.... "“Given that most attacks do not come straight from the attackers’ computers, rather they are routed through systems that have been compromised along the way, a hack back could do damage to innocent systems without ever reaching the bad guys,” Hilbert said. Eventually, all five companies gave up out of fear of getting caught, Hilbert added." So the argument is that a company, whose security is so lax that they are being used as a proxy, is untouchable? Not sure I really agree with that. As a moral position (I understand the legal one.) Too many places I have been where when I say "that isn't safe" the response is "we don't have time for that". One need only look to Equifax for a breach via a known exploit.
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No, and calling it 'white hat' doesn't change what it is... From the article, they 'suspected' the people were guilty, but there was no proof, so they used illegal methods to get the proof. And, if we suspect the bank is using underhanded tactics, can we 'hack' the bank to read their correspondence in an attempt to prove our suspicions?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
And, if we suspect the bank is using underhanded tactics, can we 'hack' the bank to read their correspondence in an attempt to prove our suspicions?
That of course is exactly what the media in the US is allowed to do. They are allowed to take data that has been stolen (obtained in a method that the owner did not approve) and then read it and then decide if it has any value to be published. So the media reads it and makes the decision. Not the courts nor any legal entity. They cannot request that theft but they are untouchable otherwise. Note they do not have to publish either. So if someone hacks a CEOs email for years and then gives it to some online blogger and it has nothing more interesting than a couple titillating emails with the significant other they don't publish. But it was still read.
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So what are you supposed to do when you're watching them try to hack in, right now? You have to have some way to stop them. I must say though, that the point made above about corrupt corps and such, is a very persuasive argument for hacking, which I really do agree with.
Charles Programmer wrote:
So what are you supposed to do when you're watching them try to hack in, right now?
If you have a system set up that allows you to actively monitor hack attempts and you do so then I am guessing that you probably have a system that isn't going to be hacked. Or at least the chance goes way down. In contrast many post analysises of hacked systems reveal little or effectively no attention to any security at all. Even those that pay lip service to doing exactly that (google for the security company that was hacked via social hacking.)
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Yes. And to those that say "All hacking is Wrong!", wake up and smell the criminal in your house. If someone was holding a gun on you or a loved one, with intent to kill, and if you had the opportunity to kill that criminal before he could pull the trigger, would you hesitate for one instant? Every individual has the right to self defense, to defend themselves defend themselves and their property. The only sane individual against "hacking back" is most likely to be someone that engages in hacking others to steal from them.:mad: Hackers that get hacked themselves have no right to complain.
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Ed Aymami wrote:
Every individual has the right to self defense
Err...by definition this is not self defense. The crime has already occurred. So your analogy is not apt. They already killed your loved one. You are just trying to get the body back. Self defense would have been to take the time and money to defend the data in the first place.
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As a related note, I was able to read a report that one must generally spend a great deal of money to obtain around 2007 or so. From a company that did post analysis of data breeches at companies. This would include ones made public and ones that were not. The conclusion for that year was that 90% of breeches were instigated by insiders.
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As a related note, I was able to read a report that one must generally spend a great deal of money to obtain around 2007 or so. From a company that did post analysis of data breeches at companies. This would include ones made public and ones that were not. The conclusion for that year was that 90% of breeches were instigated by insiders.
Hacking by insiders must surely be a criminal offense. Insider perpetrators are accessible to local law enforcement agencies, unlike hackers in a foreign country, and they should be dealt with by the criminal justice system.
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