Coding without English
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Nishant S wrote: Have any of you ever used any programming language that didn't use English-keywords? Back in 1999 when i was a University student, few of my seniours developed a full fledge compiler in Urdu language. The resultant software was named as U-Language. Initially it was proved to be a miracle but the idea didn't worked.
Wow, isn't that cool! And I remember, you used to sport a link to an Urdu IM software in your sig too. So was U-Language an entirely new language, or a "port" of some existing language to Urdu? And why didn't the idea work? At least it could be used in introductory courses for students. After that it might have found commercial application on its own.
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Have any of you ever used any programming language that didn't use English-keywords? I mean imagine a future where you'll have a chinese version of C++!!! Or Hindi or Malayalam or Spanish! Egad! Eh? :~ In fact I have never even seen a programming related book that wasn't written in English. Nish
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Nishant S wrote: In fact I have never even seen a programming related book that wasn't written in English. Ha! Lucky you! MS attempted to localize keywords for scripting languages. However, it wa a mess: Both the english and the local variation was recognied, but for queries etc. it did always change the english name to the localized one. With the net effect that: - being used to english keywords, you now had to recognize two sets - you could call a column neitehr 'Date' nor 'Datum', without running into weird side effects - Moving a database from an english Access, which used 'Datum' as one column name, to a german instalation was a desaster waiting to happen. - If you want to write portable MS Access databases, you need to know the keywords in zilch languages.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Prakriya_Ang Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Badalte_Moolya_Wale_Soochana_Ang Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Bahu_Roop Um, no. These are not variable names. Just like you don't call it operator_overloading or multiple_inheritance.
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- Mother TeresaRohit Sinha wrote: These are not variable names Only if you're thinking exclusively about C. But still, don't some languages require you to declare variables and functions as something like
variable i: integer; function PrintHello() ...But yes, I was wrong about Multiple_inheritance and Operator_overlaoding. Correct me if I'm wrong about the other stuff though. Vikram. "There's probably a Nish-like alien answering VB questions on a CP forum as we speak." - adamUK in The Lounge, discussing aliens and parallel universes. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design. -
Wow, isn't that cool! And I remember, you used to sport a link to an Urdu IM software in your sig too. So was U-Language an entirely new language, or a "port" of some existing language to Urdu? And why didn't the idea work? At least it could be used in introductory courses for students. After that it might have found commercial application on its own.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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- Mother TeresaRohit Sinha wrote: And why didn't the idea work? First reason is the comment of Mother Teresa in your sig, unfortunately most people are not interested folowing this rule. :( Second reason is that outstanding software developers produced in our countries love to work for the country of President Bush. ;P
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I find it funny that sometimes I'll see an ASP.NET page or some code where the comments are all in another language...I keep thinking, why not keep it all in English? :)
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Some years ago, I did that, too: (of course) English code but German comments. Since I'm posting articles on CP, I really learned to have a lot less work when I do NOT need to translate my comments to English, so I now always do everything in english. In fact I also do the GUI most of the time in English and add German (my native language) as a satellite DLL, only. -- - Free Windows-based CMS: www.zeta-software.de/enu/producer/freeware/download.html - See me: www.magerquark.de
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Rohit Sinha wrote: These are not variable names Only if you're thinking exclusively about C. But still, don't some languages require you to declare variables and functions as something like
variable i: integer; function PrintHello() ...But yes, I was wrong about Multiple_inheritance and Operator_overlaoding. Correct me if I'm wrong about the other stuff though. Vikram. "There's probably a Nish-like alien answering VB questions on a CP forum as we speak." - adamUK in The Lounge, discussing aliens and parallel universes. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Only if you're thinking exclusively about C. I was talking about C++, read my original post. :)
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Rohit Sinha wrote: And why didn't the idea work? First reason is the comment of Mother Teresa in your sig, unfortunately most people are not interested folowing this rule. :( Second reason is that outstanding software developers produced in our countries love to work for the country of President Bush. ;P
Imran Farooqui wrote: Second reason is that outstanding software developers produced in our countries love to work for the country of President Bush. Yeah, this problem is there in India too. :(
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Have any of you ever used any programming language that didn't use English-keywords? I mean imagine a future where you'll have a chinese version of C++!!! Or Hindi or Malayalam or Spanish! Egad! Eh? :~ In fact I have never even seen a programming related book that wasn't written in English. Nish
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Ive thought about this before too. Does this mean we can imply that every programmer can speak at least a small amount of English? Has anyone (and Im sure they must) tried making use of the preprocessor and #define'ing all the English reserved words into another language? It would certainly make for some interesting looking programs!
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Have any of you ever used any programming language that didn't use English-keywords? I mean imagine a future where you'll have a chinese version of C++!!! Or Hindi or Malayalam or Spanish! Egad! Eh? :~ In fact I have never even seen a programming related book that wasn't written in English. Nish
"I'm a bit bored at the moment so I'm thinking about writing a new programming language" - Colin Davies My book :- Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
Once upon a time (in sixties) when Cobol ruled, french came out with a french version of Cobol. It has faded out rapidly. There might be some 'oldtimers' round here who can recall more details. Regards, Zdenek
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Only if you're thinking exclusively about C. I was talking about C++, read my original post. :)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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- Mother TeresaRohit Sinha wrote: I was talking about C++ :-O Vikram. "There's probably a Nish-like alien answering VB questions on a CP forum as we speak." - adamUK in The Lounge, discussing aliens and parallel universes. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.
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Rohit Sinha wrote: And why didn't the idea work? First reason is the comment of Mother Teresa in your sig, unfortunately most people are not interested folowing this rule. :( Second reason is that outstanding software developers produced in our countries love to work for the country of President Bush. ;P
Hmmm...is this the beginning of an Ind-Pak friendship? [insert hopeful emoticon here] I seriously hope the two Govts realize that all this while they've been doing NOTHING. On second thoughts, they were doing only HARM. Really, Imran, the answer is just what you quoted from Rohit's sig- it's the people who have to do it, not Govts. [Vikram extends olive branch] Vikram. "There's probably a Nish-like alien answering VB questions on a CP forum as we speak." - adamUK in The Lounge, discussing aliens and parallel universes. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.
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Nishant S wrote: Have any of you ever used any programming language that didn't use English-keywords? No. I doubt if one exists. :) Nishant S wrote: Hindi or Malayalam or Spanish! LOL! Definitely not in the near future. But tell you what- ask Colin (look at your sig) to write a programming language in Malayalam or Hindi or Marathi or whatever. But you'll have to teach him that language first :~ . Vikram. "There's probably a Nish-like alien answering VB questions on a CP forum as we speak." - adamUK in The Lounge, discussing aliens and parallel universes. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.
Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Definitely not in the near future. Why not? Is there any good reason why a language cannot be written in some natural language other than English? Give it a try! Why not have a γ++? "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
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Say if we have a Hindi version of C++, we could use these instead of the regular words: Class: Varg Object: Vastu Function: Prakriya Ang Variables: Badalte Moolya Wale Soochana Ang Inheritance: Viraasat Polymorphism: Bahu Roop Encapsulation: Akikaran ... etc. :) ;) ;P :-D :-O :rolleyes: :laugh: :cool:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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- Mother TeresaThat's no more meaningless and confusing than the regular C++ syntax... It might even be an improvement! "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
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Once upon a time (in sixties) when Cobol ruled, french came out with a french version of Cobol. It has faded out rapidly. There might be some 'oldtimers' round here who can recall more details. Regards, Zdenek
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It was ALGOL, and it preceded COBOL. It was also completely unusable outside of a university for anything practical. ALgorithmic LOGic was its hallmark, but FORTRAN already did a better job of everything it attempted to accomplish and it died the death it richly deserved. I tried learning it, but the documentation was all in badly translated French, and the language sucked. Nothing was lost to the world when ALGOL expired... "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
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Ive thought about this before too. Does this mean we can imply that every programmer can speak at least a small amount of English? Has anyone (and Im sure they must) tried making use of the preprocessor and #define'ing all the English reserved words into another language? It would certainly make for some interesting looking programs!
C has never read like English in any case :-) What's the difference between a C++ programmer and God? God knows he's not a C++ programmer : anon
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It was ALGOL, and it preceded COBOL. It was also completely unusable outside of a university for anything practical. ALgorithmic LOGic was its hallmark, but FORTRAN already did a better job of everything it attempted to accomplish and it died the death it richly deserved. I tried learning it, but the documentation was all in badly translated French, and the language sucked. Nothing was lost to the world when ALGOL expired... "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
Don't touch my mother tongue Algol, pal. :) It was the first computer language I ran into at university. You are right, I've never used it but at classes. I was forced to switch to Cobol at my first job, and frankly, I missed Algol badly. A joke from old times: Cobol is for people who can't grasp the meaning of an expression C=A+B, but who are easy with this one: ADD A TO B GIVING C. Regards, Zdenek
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Have any of you ever used any programming language that didn't use English-keywords? I mean imagine a future where you'll have a chinese version of C++!!! Or Hindi or Malayalam or Spanish! Egad! Eh? :~ In fact I have never even seen a programming related book that wasn't written in English. Nish
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Just found this - Marathi Basic. Basic isn't really a programming language, but technically... http://mbasic.8m.com Vikram. ----------------------------- 1. Don't ask unnecessary questions. You know what I mean? 2. Avoid redundancy at all costs. 3. Avoid redundancy at all costs. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.
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Don't touch my mother tongue Algol, pal. :) It was the first computer language I ran into at university. You are right, I've never used it but at classes. I was forced to switch to Cobol at my first job, and frankly, I missed Algol badly. A joke from old times: Cobol is for people who can't grasp the meaning of an expression C=A+B, but who are easy with this one: ADD A TO B GIVING C. Regards, Zdenek
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Zdenek Navratil wrote: but who are easy with this one: ADD A TO B GIVING C. Ouch!! I actually remember that one...:-O "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
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Say if we have a Hindi version of C++, we could use these instead of the regular words: Class: Varg Object: Vastu Function: Prakriya Ang Variables: Badalte Moolya Wale Soochana Ang Inheritance: Viraasat Polymorphism: Bahu Roop Encapsulation: Akikaran ... etc. :) ;) ;P :-D :-O :rolleyes: :laugh: :cool:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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- Mother TeresaAnytime I can use words like 'Vastu' and 'Bahu Roop' I'm a happy guy. :-D Hindu looks like a fun language to speak. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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Anytime I can use words like 'Vastu' and 'Bahu Roop' I'm a happy guy. :-D Hindu looks like a fun language to speak. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
brianwelsch wrote: Hindu looks like a fun language to speak. :) Hindi is the name of the language. :) A Hindu is a follower of Hinduism (religion), just like a Christian is a follower of Christianity.
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