My computer is obsolete...
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That's not really a Micro$haft problem - my computer is older than that (or at least the MB and processor are, the Video card and HDD are not what it came with) and has no problem with updated drivers. Two years old? HP's problem - yell at them to make you feel better, and try replacing the video with an "off board" video and new drivers. It may fix your problem and make your computer feel faster. Like me, you probably have a couple of old spares kicking around. :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
That's not really a Micro$haft problem
I never blamed them for it.
OriginalGriff wrote:
HP's problem
I know, but they do not care.
OriginalGriff wrote:
try replacing the video with an "off board" video and new drivers
I think I'll do this. I have spare one from 2002 (Yes, my older regurlarly-improved computer lasted from 2002 to 2015), so I might buy a new one. Plus my son turned 10, and that's an age for starting playing high-demanding 3D games, so...
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This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
This would be feasible, if everybody else jumped on the bandwagon. Being the only one working with linux in a world of windows is just asking for troubles.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Install windows 7
I suppose so, but I really do not want to go in the loop Backup everything -> Install win7 -> find bizarre drivers for hp cheap hw -> reinstall 50+ software I run on my computer -> retweak all the small tweaks done to get it to work properly -> Debackup the backups. :sigh:
Well, looks like thats the only way. And then take backup, I like Macrium backup, then you can go back to whatever stable snapshot you like.
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Hey, yours is new! My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.
I belong to the happy few who have nothing against windows 10.
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You can just install an older version no of Windows 10 (Fresh) and pick up what drivers HP offers (HP Auto Detect)
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abmv wrote:
pick up what drivers HP offers (HP Auto Detect)
or, for an equivalent level of pain, I could burn my eyes with liquid metal.
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Does the mouse pointer display? If so, can you wander around the screen and see it change to the text-input cursor in one place near the center? If so, does the screen work if you sleep the laptop and then wake it back up again? If you answered yes to all that.. there may be a workaround -- basically, you teach the computer to reset the video right after it boots.
Rage wrote:
In what twisted world are we living ...?
The one where my 1 year old laptop was orphaned by the manufacturer when Win 8.1 came out.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
patbob wrote:
Does the mouse pointer display?
Yes, and for the rest, it is a desktop. (pavilion not necessarily = laptop).
patbob wrote:
was orphaned by the manufacturer when Win 8.1 came out.
Ouch.
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Try unintalling the drivers from HP and install the default drivers from Microsoft instead, usually does wonders for the stability.
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Mmmh, this seems to be worth a try before buying a new video card.
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Well, looks like thats the only way. And then take backup, I like Macrium backup, then you can go back to whatever stable snapshot you like.
I know, I never went into this because of the cost - I'd need 2To or 4To, which is not that much but not so inexpensive anymore - and because of active procrastination. The backup is not really the PITA part, it is more the SW reinstalling stuff. For instance, I am using Money for personal finance, and installing it on Win7+ and get it to work properly is not easy.
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This would be feasible, if everybody else jumped on the bandwagon. Being the only one working with linux in a world of windows is just asking for troubles.
With more and more web-based applications it becomes less and less noticeable. "My place", for example: A Win7 shop, but few if (any new) applications are not accessed via a browser. I will admit that one notable exception, of sorts, will only run under IE. Everyone here has FoxPro installed. So - given a desktop with links to applications, who'd know about the upgrade?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I know, I never went into this because of the cost - I'd need 2To or 4To, which is not that much but not so inexpensive anymore - and because of active procrastination. The backup is not really the PITA part, it is more the SW reinstalling stuff. For instance, I am using Money for personal finance, and installing it on Win7+ and get it to work properly is not easy.
Take a deep breath, sigh, set up your stack of disks, and start the process. After a few hours you will be done, and back in business.
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It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm. I have windows 10. One of the last update that comes with Windows Update brings a black screen after startup - this seems to be a very common problem by hp, a quick Google "hp black screen with mouse" brings ton of results - and of HW-depending answers. It is more than 2 years old, so no warranty. hp does not support it anymore. I bought it (new) online, so no way to get support from the vendor no-phone-number-and-it-is-so-simple-to-ignore-email-requests.jpg So now I am stuck. There will be no driver update on hp side to cope with the windows update. I have no trivial way to keep my PC from being updated -> In win 10, you can either deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe, or wait for the update to be installed to desinstall them. Which means wait for the black screen occurence to happen, go in safe mode, launch recovery, etc... I know how this will end : I will have to buy a new machine. In what twisted world are we living ...? :~
Don't buy HP. Just.. don't. I stopped counting the amount of HP related desktop and laptop problems I've seen over the years. The oddest one was a laptop with a modified Windows 8 install image on it with less drivers than the stock Windows 8 image. As a result, it had no Ethernet and no Wi-Fi out-of-the box. On the plus side, it was priced pretty cheap and the MB broke in the last month of warranty. :thumbsup:
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It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm. I have windows 10. One of the last update that comes with Windows Update brings a black screen after startup - this seems to be a very common problem by hp, a quick Google "hp black screen with mouse" brings ton of results - and of HW-depending answers. It is more than 2 years old, so no warranty. hp does not support it anymore. I bought it (new) online, so no way to get support from the vendor no-phone-number-and-it-is-so-simple-to-ignore-email-requests.jpg So now I am stuck. There will be no driver update on hp side to cope with the windows update. I have no trivial way to keep my PC from being updated -> In win 10, you can either deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe, or wait for the update to be installed to desinstall them. Which means wait for the black screen occurence to happen, go in safe mode, launch recovery, etc... I know how this will end : I will have to buy a new machine. In what twisted world are we living ...? :~
If all else fails, you might consider running W10 in a virtual machine. Doesn't matter what host, W7 or even Linux. VMware's player is free and there are others. If you get your machine running, you can run (free) tools to create a VM from it, which precludes reinstalling programs. Don't know about reactivating stuff, if you clone the MAC address that satisfies a lot. I run W10 under Linux and it runs fine and (most of the time) updates are OK. Unlike 100's of millions of other users, I have to fiddle with it after some updates. :) Ate salad for dinner. Mostly croutons & tomatoes. Really just one big round crouton covered with tomato sauce. And cheese. FINE, it was a pizza. I ate a pizza. Lou
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This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Depending on what the PC is used for, Linux may be an option. For development work? Nope. But for general purposes (email, browsing, etc.) it may work just fine.
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Don't buy HP. Just.. don't. I stopped counting the amount of HP related desktop and laptop problems I've seen over the years. The oddest one was a laptop with a modified Windows 8 install image on it with less drivers than the stock Windows 8 image. As a result, it had no Ethernet and no Wi-Fi out-of-the box. On the plus side, it was priced pretty cheap and the MB broke in the last month of warranty. :thumbsup:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Two years old? HP's problem
That's not so far fetched - I had the same problems in 2006 and WinXP. HP in my opinion builds very cheap computers with high revenues. I won't buy HP anymore after a couple of unpleasant experiences with them.
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I won't buy HP anymore after a couple of unpleasant experiences with them.
I have had the same issues. I have a AlienWare 2014 Aurora R4 that I just spent ~$1000 USD to repair over the past 6 months. Not good enough with a soldering iron myself and the graphics card was an NVidea 1070 with 'normal' connectors.
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Depending on what the PC is used for, Linux may be an option. For development work? Nope. But for general purposes (email, browsing, etc.) it may work just fine.
BryanFazekas wrote:
for general purposes
I am active in a lot of associations, and everybody uses WOrd, Excel, etc... while I know of all the LibreOffice and other clones, they are not 100% compatible and they are mch less performant than the microsoft equivalents...
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BryanFazekas wrote:
for general purposes
I am active in a lot of associations, and everybody uses WOrd, Excel, etc... while I know of all the LibreOffice and other clones, they are not 100% compatible and they are mch less performant than the microsoft equivalents...
Ditto. I have played with Linux and while it's a good OS and has many very useful tools (including LibreOffice) ... I could not use it as my normal desktop. Just had a thought -- MS Office Online works on Android. I will investigate if it works on Linux in general. While the online version has been less functional than the Windows desktop version, it may be sufficient. At least it's something to consider.
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This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Not as much as you would think. I've had two older laptops that should have run lighter linux distros without a problem, but... One was a 2004 Sony Vaio and in the ended up just installing the original XP distro and donate it to a charity because I couldn't find any linux distro that would install on it without hanging at some point. The other is a 2009 Gateway Netbook with a 32-bit Atom processor. I did eventually get an older version of OpenSUSE to install on it, but I was amazed at the number of distros that supposedly target this class of computer that would not install.
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Take a deep breath, sigh, set up your stack of disks, and start the process. After a few hours you will be done, and back in business.
I don't know about you, depending on what you do for a living and your hobbies etc it can take days to reinstall software. You might be up and going shortly, not everyone else will be.
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It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm. I have windows 10. One of the last update that comes with Windows Update brings a black screen after startup - this seems to be a very common problem by hp, a quick Google "hp black screen with mouse" brings ton of results - and of HW-depending answers. It is more than 2 years old, so no warranty. hp does not support it anymore. I bought it (new) online, so no way to get support from the vendor no-phone-number-and-it-is-so-simple-to-ignore-email-requests.jpg So now I am stuck. There will be no driver update on hp side to cope with the windows update. I have no trivial way to keep my PC from being updated -> In win 10, you can either deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe, or wait for the update to be installed to desinstall them. Which means wait for the black screen occurence to happen, go in safe mode, launch recovery, etc... I know how this will end : I will have to buy a new machine. In what twisted world are we living ...? :~
Its not HP nor is it an artifact of obsolescence. I have a 4 month old Microsoft Surface Pro 4 that had that exact thing happen a week or 2 ago. I just took it to Best Buy's Geek Squad because I have a "2 year warranty" with them after buying the computer in July, and they had it fixed in about 3 hours. If you can't fix it yourself, take it to a tech, 'cuz its the <> update that did it, not your computer.
