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  • W W Balboos GHB

    This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.

    Ravings en masse^

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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    svella
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    Not as much as you would think. I've had two older laptops that should have run lighter linux distros without a problem, but... One was a 2004 Sony Vaio and in the ended up just installing the original XP distro and donate it to a charity because I couldn't find any linux distro that would install on it without hanging at some point. The other is a 2009 Gateway Netbook with a 32-bit Atom processor. I did eventually get an older version of OpenSUSE to install on it, but I was amazed at the number of distros that supposedly target this class of computer that would not install.

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    • M Munchies_Matt

      Take a deep breath, sigh, set up your stack of disks, and start the process. After a few hours you will be done, and back in business.

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      Dennis Saeva
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      I don't know about you, depending on what you do for a living and your hobbies etc it can take days to reinstall software. You might be up and going shortly, not everyone else will be.

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      • R Rage

        It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm. I have windows 10. One of the last update that comes with Windows Update brings a black screen after startup - this seems to be a very common problem by hp, a quick Google "hp black screen with mouse" brings ton of results - and of HW-depending answers. It is more than 2 years old, so no warranty. hp does not support it anymore. I bought it (new) online, so no way to get support from the vendor no-phone-number-and-it-is-so-simple-to-ignore-email-requests.jpg So now I am stuck. There will be no driver update on hp side to cope with the windows update. I have no trivial way to keep my PC from being updated -> In win 10, you can either deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe, or wait for the update to be installed to desinstall them. Which means wait for the black screen occurence to happen, go in safe mode, launch recovery, etc... I know how this will end : I will have to buy a new machine. In what twisted world are we living ...? :~

        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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        Rally2xs
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        Its not HP nor is it an artifact of obsolescence. I have a 4 month old Microsoft Surface Pro 4 that had that exact thing happen a week or 2 ago. I just took it to Best Buy's Geek Squad because I have a "2 year warranty" with them after buying the computer in July, and they had it fixed in about 3 hours. If you can't fix it yourself, take it to a tech, 'cuz its the <> update that did it, not your computer.

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        • R Rage

          Mmmh, this seems to be worth a try before buying a new video card.

          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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          Jorgen Andersson
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          There's a 90% chance that it's supported with the right hardware which means the same performance minus the bugs. The downside is that you lose a ton of settings, that you probably wouldn't use anyway.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          • R Rage

            It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm. I have windows 10. One of the last update that comes with Windows Update brings a black screen after startup - this seems to be a very common problem by hp, a quick Google "hp black screen with mouse" brings ton of results - and of HW-depending answers. It is more than 2 years old, so no warranty. hp does not support it anymore. I bought it (new) online, so no way to get support from the vendor no-phone-number-and-it-is-so-simple-to-ignore-email-requests.jpg So now I am stuck. There will be no driver update on hp side to cope with the windows update. I have no trivial way to keep my PC from being updated -> In win 10, you can either deactivate windows updates completely, which is unsafe, or wait for the update to be installed to desinstall them. Which means wait for the black screen occurence to happen, go in safe mode, launch recovery, etc... I know how this will end : I will have to buy a new machine. In what twisted world are we living ...? :~

            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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            ClockMeister
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            I don't have any PC's that were minted any less than about 4-6 years ago. My main development box is a Dell XPS 8300 (i7/2600) with 16GB of main and a 1TB SSD. The machine is just flat a processing monster and running Windows 7 as are all my other PC's (of which I have 5). The XPS and a couple other machines are also i7's ... plenty of power. Enough of this upgrade nonsense. I've played with Windows 10 (wasted entirely too much time with it, too) which I call the "adware" version of Windows. Until and unless I'm forced to go to Windows 10 because one of my machines just has to be replaced I'll drive this equipment into the ground. Equipment obsolete? Perhaps the "market" thinks so, however I can still develop and deploy solutions that run even on the latest hardware without having to go to it. Twisted world? Yup. Just for the record, you do NOT have to stick with the "upgrade train" that the market wants to put you in. -CM

            If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Hey, yours is new! My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.

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              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

              My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.

              All my equipment and software are circa 2008 (Windows 7, Visual Studio, etc.). My personal opinion is that we were at a technology "sweet spot" then. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade my development tools or my equipment. As far as the equipment goes, I simply went to SSD for primary storage and added a little RAM. I'm good for the duration as far as PC software development goes.

              If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair

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                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.

                All my equipment and software are circa 2008 (Windows 7, Visual Studio, etc.). My personal opinion is that we were at a technology "sweet spot" then. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade my development tools or my equipment. As far as the equipment goes, I simply went to SSD for primary storage and added a little RAM. I'm good for the duration as far as PC software development goes.

                If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Oh, well, some of my software goes back to 2002. ;P My systems need more RAM at least. I'd like to get new CPUs and motherboards, but I need to find one with FDD support. :sigh:

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                • D Dennis Saeva

                  I don't know about you, depending on what you do for a living and your hobbies etc it can take days to reinstall software. You might be up and going shortly, not everyone else will be.

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                  Munchies_Matt
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                  It varies, but every time I have done it it takes about a dayy to get it all done, installed, backed up, and ready to go. And of course ALWAYS take backups, then you can go back to a known good point. Macrium is my favourite, very easy to use.

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Oh, well, some of my software goes back to 2002. ;P My systems need more RAM at least. I'd like to get new CPUs and motherboards, but I need to find one with FDD support. :sigh:

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                    ClockMeister
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                    The elitist among us would say that we're "living in the past". OK, so I'm living in the past. I'm also crying all-the-way to the bank. ;-)

                    If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair

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                    • W W Balboos GHB

                      This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.

                      Ravings en masse^

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                      TNCaver
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                      ... and introduce a variety of software compatibility and/or unavailability problems.

                      If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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