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Do developers really need a touch screen?

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  • J Jochen Arndt

    I forgot the joke icon :( Some notebooks does not have a function key assigned to turn the screen off (must use an utility for that).

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I only do dev work on a laptop if it's docked to three 24" screens. :cool:

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    • T Tomz_KV

      I think that a touch screen has the ability to tell fingers from wiping paper. Phone screen does. But I have not tried on a work station.

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      Jochen Arndt
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      The touch panel and the associated controller does not have that ability AFAIK. The device driver or OS might have. Like with the new edgeless smart phones that sometimes ignore touches on the borders.

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        I only do dev work on a laptop if it's docked to three 24" screens. :cool:

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        Jochen Arndt
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        I usually don't have to clean the screen when doing dev work. That is more often necessary when misusing the system for other puposes :laugh:

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        • T Tomz_KV

          Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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          Lost User
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          I find even the smallest smudge on my dev screen a huge distraction and can't get work done till it's gone (turn-off - easier to see smudges against black.) No way I'd entertain a touch screen (and even more when there's going to be other people "helping".) Once had an ant get in my screen behind the front layer, I figured it'd die in a day or two so first thought was just leave it. 10 minutes later I had the thing disassembled. There's now gouges in the casing (sides) from levering off the snap-on front with a screwdriver - dont care about that - as the display area is clean.)

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            I find even the smallest smudge on my dev screen a huge distraction and can't get work done till it's gone (turn-off - easier to see smudges against black.) No way I'd entertain a touch screen (and even more when there's going to be other people "helping".) Once had an ant get in my screen behind the front layer, I figured it'd die in a day or two so first thought was just leave it. 10 minutes later I had the thing disassembled. There's now gouges in the casing (sides) from levering off the snap-on front with a screwdriver - dont care about that - as the display area is clean.)

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            Tomz_KV
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            Lopatir wrote:

            Once had an ant get in my screen behind the front layer

            That was a real computer bug. :)

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            • T Tomz_KV

              Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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              OriginalGriff
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              Well, I don't have one. But ... After I bought the WookieTab and got used to using it as a Win10 Pad, I found myself getting frustrated that my desktop screen didn't respond when I tapped it... I could see a touchscreen dev machine being really pretty useful, but not essential. I suspect that (just like dual monitors) once you were used to it, it would really slow you down to go without.

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                Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                Marc Clifton
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                Being contrarian, I quite enjoy using a touch screen on my laptop for scrolling, and I wish applications were designed to be more usable -- think Minority Report. Unfortunately, because my laptop is my main "desktop" platform and sits to the side of two large non-touch screen monitors, and because the whole setup is at arms length, it's quite inconvenient to touch unless its actually sitting on my lap. ;)

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                  Being contrarian, I quite enjoy using a touch screen on my laptop for scrolling, and I wish applications were designed to be more usable -- think Minority Report. Unfortunately, because my laptop is my main "desktop" platform and sits to the side of two large non-touch screen monitors, and because the whole setup is at arms length, it's quite inconvenient to touch unless its actually sitting on my lap. ;)

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                  Tomz_KV
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                  I have two monitors too linked to my laptop that sits in a corner. I rarely touch the laptop screen.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Well, I don't have one. But ... After I bought the WookieTab and got used to using it as a Win10 Pad, I found myself getting frustrated that my desktop screen didn't respond when I tapped it... I could see a touchscreen dev machine being really pretty useful, but not essential. I suspect that (just like dual monitors) once you were used to it, it would really slow you down to go without.

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                    Tomz_KV
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                    Most daily business apps, for example office apps, do not require touch interaction. Until business needs arise, a touchscreen will not be essential for developers.

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                    • J Jeremy Falcon

                      Not until programming becomes as simple as pointing and clicking. At which time devs will make up about 2,000 fancy acronyms for left click and right click so we can still sound important in meetings.

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                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                      Not until programming becomes as simple as pointing and clicking

                      The day may come sooner than we expect.

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                      • K Kaladin

                        The way I see it, the best testing is done on the actual system the user is using, whereas emulators are best used for prototyping and debugging. I've had many problems only occurred when it was run on the actual system.

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                        Tomz_KV
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                        Agree. Even on actual systems, problems may still exist since there are so many different devices made by different manufacturers. Cannot test them all.

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                        • R Ron Anders

                          Nobody really does. That will find it's way to the top of the truth heap in time.

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                          Tomz_KV
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                          For daily business operation, not so much touch interaction on a computer is needed.

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                            Tomz_KV wrote:

                            Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

                            An emulator is just that; it may not be an entirely accurate representation of what happens on the real hardware.

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                            Tomz_KV
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                            Do you think my boss would buy me an iPhone X? :-D

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                            • A Abhinav S

                              Nope.

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                              Tomz_KV
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                              My laptop has a touchscreen and I have not found a way to really utilize it in dev.

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                              • T Tomz_KV

                                Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                                kmoorevs
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                                My newest laptop has a touchscreen. The only time I've ever used it was when developing a web application for POS terminals, and a few times since when demoing the same application at trade shows. Honestly, I'd like to find an easy way to disable it as I have a colleague who has problems with depth perception and will occasionally tap the screen accidently! :)

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                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  Not until programming becomes as simple as pointing and clicking

                                  The day may come sooner than we expect.

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                                  Jeremy Falcon
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                                  True that.

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                                  • K kmoorevs

                                    My newest laptop has a touchscreen. The only time I've ever used it was when developing a web application for POS terminals, and a few times since when demoing the same application at trade shows. Honestly, I'd like to find an easy way to disable it as I have a colleague who has problems with depth perception and will occasionally tap the screen accidently! :)

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                                    Tomz_KV
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                                    A new project for touchscreen makers: the difference between intentional and accidental touches. :-D

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                                    • T Tomz_KV

                                      Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                                      Ravi Bhavnani
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                                      I have no use for one.  It's (much) easier for me to use a mouse to click than tap on the screen.  Same for Ctrl/Mousewheel vs. pinch to zoom. /ravi

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                                        Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                                        MacSpudster
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                                        :suss: I had a touchscreen for development back in the late '80s. :cool: :omg: What took y'all so long? :wtf:

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                                        • R Ravi Bhavnani

                                          I have no use for one.  It's (much) easier for me to use a mouse to click than tap on the screen.  Same for Ctrl/Mousewheel vs. pinch to zoom. /ravi

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                                          Tomz_KV
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                                          Keyboard shortcuts seem to be used more often than a touchscreen.

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