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Do developers really need a touch screen?

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  • J Jochen Arndt

    No. They require shutting down the system to clean the screen.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Can't you turn off only the monitor?

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    • J Jochen Arndt

      No. They require shutting down the system to clean the screen.

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      Tomz_KV
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      I think that a touch screen has the ability to tell fingers from wiping paper. Phone screen does. But I have not tried on a work station.

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      • T Tomz_KV

        Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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        W Balboos GHB
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        Really, it depends a lot upon how lonely they are.

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        • T Tomz_KV

          Even with "pair programming"?

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          Nothing changes - one of them still just likes to watch.

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          • W W Balboos GHB

            Really, it depends a lot upon how lonely they are.

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            Even with "pair programming"?

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            • T Tomz_KV

              No body can select/insert/update your database?

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              Not via touch.

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                Can't you turn off only the monitor?

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                Jochen Arndt
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                I forgot the joke icon :( Some notebooks does not have a function key assigned to turn the screen off (must use an utility for that).

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                • J Jochen Arndt

                  I forgot the joke icon :( Some notebooks does not have a function key assigned to turn the screen off (must use an utility for that).

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                  I only do dev work on a laptop if it's docked to three 24" screens. :cool:

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                  • T Tomz_KV

                    I think that a touch screen has the ability to tell fingers from wiping paper. Phone screen does. But I have not tried on a work station.

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                    Jochen Arndt
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                    The touch panel and the associated controller does not have that ability AFAIK. The device driver or OS might have. Like with the new edgeless smart phones that sometimes ignore touches on the borders.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      I only do dev work on a laptop if it's docked to three 24" screens. :cool:

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                      Jochen Arndt
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                      I usually don't have to clean the screen when doing dev work. That is more often necessary when misusing the system for other puposes :laugh:

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                      • T Tomz_KV

                        Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                        I find even the smallest smudge on my dev screen a huge distraction and can't get work done till it's gone (turn-off - easier to see smudges against black.) No way I'd entertain a touch screen (and even more when there's going to be other people "helping".) Once had an ant get in my screen behind the front layer, I figured it'd die in a day or two so first thought was just leave it. 10 minutes later I had the thing disassembled. There's now gouges in the casing (sides) from levering off the snap-on front with a screwdriver - dont care about that - as the display area is clean.)

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                          I find even the smallest smudge on my dev screen a huge distraction and can't get work done till it's gone (turn-off - easier to see smudges against black.) No way I'd entertain a touch screen (and even more when there's going to be other people "helping".) Once had an ant get in my screen behind the front layer, I figured it'd die in a day or two so first thought was just leave it. 10 minutes later I had the thing disassembled. There's now gouges in the casing (sides) from levering off the snap-on front with a screwdriver - dont care about that - as the display area is clean.)

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                          Tomz_KV
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                          Lopatir wrote:

                          Once had an ant get in my screen behind the front layer

                          That was a real computer bug. :)

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                          • T Tomz_KV

                            Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                            Well, I don't have one. But ... After I bought the WookieTab and got used to using it as a Win10 Pad, I found myself getting frustrated that my desktop screen didn't respond when I tapped it... I could see a touchscreen dev machine being really pretty useful, but not essential. I suspect that (just like dual monitors) once you were used to it, it would really slow you down to go without.

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                              Most touch applications are developed using an emulator. The "touch" test is generally conducted on a real phone or pad. Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

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                              Being contrarian, I quite enjoy using a touch screen on my laptop for scrolling, and I wish applications were designed to be more usable -- think Minority Report. Unfortunately, because my laptop is my main "desktop" platform and sits to the side of two large non-touch screen monitors, and because the whole setup is at arms length, it's quite inconvenient to touch unless its actually sitting on my lap. ;)

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                Being contrarian, I quite enjoy using a touch screen on my laptop for scrolling, and I wish applications were designed to be more usable -- think Minority Report. Unfortunately, because my laptop is my main "desktop" platform and sits to the side of two large non-touch screen monitors, and because the whole setup is at arms length, it's quite inconvenient to touch unless its actually sitting on my lap. ;)

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                                I have two monitors too linked to my laptop that sits in a corner. I rarely touch the laptop screen.

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Well, I don't have one. But ... After I bought the WookieTab and got used to using it as a Win10 Pad, I found myself getting frustrated that my desktop screen didn't respond when I tapped it... I could see a touchscreen dev machine being really pretty useful, but not essential. I suspect that (just like dual monitors) once you were used to it, it would really slow you down to go without.

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                                  Most daily business apps, for example office apps, do not require touch interaction. Until business needs arise, a touchscreen will not be essential for developers.

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                                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                                    Not until programming becomes as simple as pointing and clicking. At which time devs will make up about 2,000 fancy acronyms for left click and right click so we can still sound important in meetings.

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                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    Not until programming becomes as simple as pointing and clicking

                                    The day may come sooner than we expect.

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                                    • K Kaladin

                                      The way I see it, the best testing is done on the actual system the user is using, whereas emulators are best used for prototyping and debugging. I've had many problems only occurred when it was run on the actual system.

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                                      Tomz_KV
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                                      Agree. Even on actual systems, problems may still exist since there are so many different devices made by different manufacturers. Cannot test them all.

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                                      • R Ron Anders

                                        Nobody really does. That will find it's way to the top of the truth heap in time.

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                                        Tomz_KV
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                                        For daily business operation, not so much touch interaction on a computer is needed.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Tomz_KV wrote:

                                          Are there any good reasons that developers need a touch screen dev box?

                                          An emulator is just that; it may not be an entirely accurate representation of what happens on the real hardware.

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                                          Do you think my boss would buy me an iPhone X? :-D

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