Is there something like Docker but for Windows users?
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I'm not sure I have a great use-case other than crappy laptops, just curious after playing with Docker and the idea of layering. Figured ya'll might know something I don't ;)
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Apparently it is possible to containerise at the OS level (linux anyway - LXC's). Depends how you use your machine, for me my base (w7) machine is tuned for dev (i.e. many services turned off/manaul) so using docker at OS level wouldn't be a valid testing setup (even if I turned things back on in the container); for devs targeting individual desktops or/and servers it'll remain better to use a "clean/standard setup" VMs ("un-tuned" or tuned-like-the-customers-machines apart from perhaps a few other installed programs such as vs (or some debugger), and say ff and np++..)
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Lopatir wrote:
Apparently it is possible to containerise at the OS level (linux anyway - LXC's).
My understanding of it, the way Docker works on Linux doesn't use a VM. The OS provides the functionality to contain processes, which is what is being linked to. And so Docker takes advantage of that. On Windows I didn't think there was a way to do that without a VM. But, I'm a total Docker n00b, so who knows.
Lopatir wrote:
Depends how you use your machine, for me my base (w7) machine is tuned for dev (i.e. many services turned off/manaul) so using docker at OS level wouldn't be a valid testing setup
So when you mean at the OS level, are you not using Hypver-V or any VM at all, or is it going through Hyper-V still but you're just turning off/on Windows features, etc.?
Lopatir wrote:
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Jeremy Falcon
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Look at [Turbo Containers - Run Applications Anywhere](https://turbo.net/) (Previously known as Spoon) And stay away from Docker for Windows. I'm using Docker Toolbox with .NET Core 2 and quite happy with the process. I wrote about my Docker for Windows experience [here](https://marcclifton.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/my-docker-for-windows-experience/) and [here](https://marcclifton.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/uninstalling-docker-for-windows/). Marc
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Just read the first part of the first link, and I believe you just confirmed what I think. Docker for Windows requires Hyper-V correct?
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
stay away from Docker for Windows
I echo that sentiment.
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Too bad Docker is now another buzzword in the industry though. :sigh:
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Just read the first part of the first link, and I believe you just confirmed what I think. Docker for Windows requires Hyper-V correct?
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Docker for Windows requires Hyper-V correct
Yup!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Docker for Windows requires Hyper-V correct
Yup!
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My condolences. :)
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Lopatir wrote:
Apparently it is possible to containerise at the OS level (linux anyway - LXC's).
My understanding of it, the way Docker works on Linux doesn't use a VM. The OS provides the functionality to contain processes, which is what is being linked to. And so Docker takes advantage of that. On Windows I didn't think there was a way to do that without a VM. But, I'm a total Docker n00b, so who knows.
Lopatir wrote:
Depends how you use your machine, for me my base (w7) machine is tuned for dev (i.e. many services turned off/manaul) so using docker at OS level wouldn't be a valid testing setup
So when you mean at the OS level, are you not using Hypver-V or any VM at all, or is it going through Hyper-V still but you're just turning off/on Windows features, etc.?
Lopatir wrote:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So when you mean at the OS level, are you not using Hypver-V or any VM at all, or is it going through Hyper-V still but you're just turning off/on Windows features, etc.?
In this I meant my own machine has everything turned off I can get away with, so to do effective testing I would need a proper VM (i.e. installed "normal" setup) rather than a docker container which relies on the underlying OS. Some good summaries here: stackoverflow.com/questions/16047306/how-is-docker-different-from-a-normal-virtual-machine (on purpose pasted as text rather than a link, in case you don't like links.) About 1/4 ways down a good mention of the LXC'c...
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Linux Containers (LXC) are operating system-level capabilities that make it possible to run multiple isolated Linux containers, on one control host (the LXC host). Linux Containers serve as a lightweight alternative to VMs as they don’t require the hypervisors viz. Virtualbox, KVM, Xen, etc.
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Too bad Docker is now another buzzword in the industry though. :sigh:
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Thing is, I have Docker set up on a couple of QA Ubuntu servers, acting as replicas of prod environments, and they are brilliant. It makes testing so much easier because the image acts as a clone of prod, so I have a faithful reproduction that I can test against.
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Thing is, I have Docker set up on a couple of QA Ubuntu servers, acting as replicas of prod environments, and they are brilliant. It makes testing so much easier because the image acts as a clone of prod, so I have a faithful reproduction that I can test against.
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Maybe it's time I stop being old then and look into it. Be one of the cool kids again.
Jeremy Falcon
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Maybe it's time I stop being old then and look into it. Be one of the cool kids again.
Jeremy Falcon
You never stopped being one of the cool kids. Me? Well, I never grew up. Never worry about having a second childhood; don't leave your first one.
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You never stopped being one of the cool kids. Me? Well, I never grew up. Never worry about having a second childhood; don't leave your first one.
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Well I can't argue with this obviously extremely intelligent and highly inspired post. :-\
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