Are we too old?
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
Not really. There are two industries inside our industry. One is a lottery and the other one is knowledge based. Lottery are shining web thingies and mobile apps. Products that, given sufficient supply of coke, coffee, and weeks, can be replicated by any group of students, anywhere. It's a lottery because you have to be on the right place in the right time to succeed. There is only one Twitter, even if the underlying app is less than impressive. Its capital today is the content crowd, not the app. And than there are things that random groups of students can't replicate. In years. Because they are just too hard. Like DBMS servers, rockets, self-driving cars, pacemakers, etc. Hence ... if you want a long lasting career in programming ... you have to grow out of the lottery stuff. My 0.05£.
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
Slacker007 wrote:
If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry
Agist prick.
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Slacker007 wrote:
If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry
Agist prick.
Software Zen:
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I like that. I was once young and stupid and full of myself. At my current age, two out of three ain't bad. I was going to use the old standard, "age and treachery overcomes youth and skill", but I thought simpler was better.
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I like that. I was once young and stupid and full of myself. At my current age, two out of three ain't bad. I was going to use the old standard, "age and treachery overcomes youth and skill", but I thought simpler was better.
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I couldn't find an attribution for it; it seems to have been around for quite a while.
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I couldn't find an attribution for it; it seems to have been around for quite a while.
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Courtesy of Google Translate: "fraudis solertia vincit aetate iuventus".
Software Zen:
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Courtesy of Google Translate: "fraudis solertia vincit aetate iuventus".
Software Zen:
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I'm 74 and I just retired last year. I was 40 when I started. And I've done very well financially.
At 40 today you should have a hard time to find job...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Made a living programming for 33 years - punch cards, Fortran, CDC, Cray, custom devices, Unix, C; retired 22 years ago. Now I code for my own amusement in C# on my windows desktop (most recently toying with the 9 square illusion) Am I too old? Yes, I am. Too difficult for my tired old eyes to spend a lot of time squinting at Mobile devices. But at 75 I still read Codeproject news!
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
Keep up with the under-35 crowd in software development? At 63, I still run rings around them.
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
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Keep up with the under-35 crowd in software development? At 63, I still run rings around them.
Sure you do. :~
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
Nonsense! I know a lot of people working on mobile development (mostly games) and at least half of them are over 35. It's not all about "crunch", although that was one of the reasons I got out of games dev* (in my 50's). And it's most definitely not the case that younger means smarter, especially when it comes to doing clever optimisations to squeeze out the last bit of performance or to reduce memory usage. [ * when I say out, I mean professionally - I still do indy development at home, including mobile stuff... ]
Days spent at sea are not deducted from one's alloted span - Phoenician proverb
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Sure you do. :~
Most, but not all, of the 35 and under developers I know are great at memorizing and churning out code. But often with little thought to how manageable the code is, how brittle it is, or how OO it is. There is so much more to software development than coding, though coding well is definitely a must at any age. What I notice lacking the most is the ability to see, design, and code efficient, reusable, maintainable solutions to the business goals in a given software project. Just code something quick and dirty, throw it out there, hope it passes QA, and then hope you have moved on before the hack you did becomes a maintenance or extension problem. That seems to be a common problem with the 35 and under developers. But fortunately, not all.
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
Wow, someone's got up on the wrong side of bed. * Starting wages have risen faster than top wages, so your young colleagues make as much as you did with 5 years' experience. * The more senior you get, the higher the expectations, not just in terms of experience, but in terms of IQ. Companies try hard not to hire senior people unless they are unicorns. * Companies don't want to spend money on training. They you will get the hint and leave, once your skills need an update. This is what causes the developer shortage. Sigh. So yeah, I guess I did too.
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You don't know what old is. I learned to program my first computer in 1966, pure machine code keyed in instruction by instruction on the front panel.
I can't make a claim that far back but I can say my first professional software was in COBOL on punched cards. My debugger was about 6-8 inches above my shoulders. Today I work embedded C and love every minute, even the crunches. I cringe at these new wonder tools that crop up about once a week that do everything that once required discipline. I imagine these are for kids who need to keep one eye on their phone. Where will you be when something goes wrong or when that tool isn't there? "Never happen", the young one will say with complete confidence and unearned arrogance. Youth is wasted on the young.
