Best appropriation of a Charlie Brown cartoon ever
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You have a very distorted, inaccurate, and unrealistic view of people who make more money than you. don't be so lame in your thinking, and stop generalizing the rich.
Not sure if you really wanted to answer me but...
Slacker007 wrote:
don't be so lame in your thinking, and stop generalizing the rich.
I am not. If you read carefully that was exactly my point: There are "good" and "bad" persons in every social / economic status. As I already said... I have no problem with rich people who have worked hard or had luck in life or both. I only have a problem with people that makes money at the cost of other people, no matter if legally or illegally. And there are people on both sides of the spectrum.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I've never received a paycheck from a stockholder either. Just saying :-\
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Are all stockholders rich?
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I have - but never mind. Let’s be generous and say that a person is maybe 2x as intelligent as average and works 10x as hard and is 5x as lucky … in which case there is an argument for them being 100x as rich. That’s OK – I can deal with people being 100x as rich as average. That’s quite rich. Good for them. Beyond that – they’re thieves.
A_Griffin wrote:
Beyond that – they’re thieves.
Wow, you really are warped.
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You are a moron. Nobody is poor because someone else is rich. Rich people aren't thieves because they are rich, well, except maybe for Soros and his ilk. You want a 'fair' personal tax plan? Fine, every single man, woman, and child pays the exact same amount tax for every day they are alive with the only exceptions being those that are truly disabled and unable to work (physically or mentally handicapped). No business or corporate taxation whatsoever as business have no 'vote' (taxation without representation). That is a 'fair' tax plan. Maybe then, people will pay attention to the real problem, spending. Personally I think income tax is a terrible concept. Taxing should be done on consumption/sales only with also import taxation for the purpose of enforcing trade and market leveling. This is all typical envy and jealousy, you're not 'rich', therefore you hate them and want their success, 'luck', and hard work to pay your own way.
NotYourAverageGuy wrote:
Taxing should be done on consumption/sales only with also import taxation for the purpose of enforcing trade and market leveling.
Yep, 100% agree. Scrap all tax except VAT and levy it at a rate that reflects the luxury value of the product. Bread, 0%, Ferraris, 100%. One tax body, less govt employees, less public expenditure.
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NotYourAverageGuy wrote:
Nobody is poor because someone else is rich.
Tell that to the people that has lost rent insurances, fonds and other savings, just because a rich wanted to be richer and scammed them all. Or people working their asses off to see how the boss takes profit and get self-made boni while all the rest don't get a shit.
NotYourAverageGuy wrote:
Rich people aren't thieves because they are rich,
The one that manages to make money without harming anyone and having respect for the rest of the people... I do say: Kudos But don't be so lame and say that rich people are that clean, decent, nice and so on. There is a part of them that are just bad people, and those are the ones that anger people against the rest. Generalizing is wrong, in both directions.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
What a pile of crap. How does a 'rich person' 'scam poor people out of rent, funds, and insurance'? There are plenty of scammers out there, they are called criminals, some are in prison already, many will be soon. Some make a living, just, others are more successful, but you cant equate criminality with wealth, that is utterly wrong and very ignorant.
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A_Griffin wrote:
Beyond that – they’re thieves.
Wow, you really are warped.
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'course I am - totally warped to think billionaires have earned that much money fairly. If "normal" thinks otherwise, I'll take being warped any day.
A_Griffin wrote:
to think billionaires have earned that much money fairly
So if you make 20% on some Galaxo stock in a year, making a profit of a few hundred, that is fair, but when Soros makes billions doing exactly the same it isnt? You really are very immature.
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A_Griffin wrote:
to think billionaires have earned that much money fairly
So if you make 20% on some Galaxo stock in a year, making a profit of a few hundred, that is fair, but when Soros makes billions doing exactly the same it isnt? You really are very immature.
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Is it actually possible for you to have a conversation without resorting to being rude? Come back when you can.
Says the guy who yesterday said 'Jesus Matt do some fucking research' or some such. Anyway, it is an observation not an insult. You are very immature.
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Those that are not rich are getting tax breaks too, not just the rich. Read the bill.
Reading the bill isn't on the liberals' agenda. Remember to see what was in the health care bill, they had to pass it.
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Are all stockholders rich?
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What a pile of crap. How does a 'rich person' 'scam poor people out of rent, funds, and insurance'? There are plenty of scammers out there, they are called criminals, some are in prison already, many will be soon. Some make a living, just, others are more successful, but you cant equate criminality with wealth, that is utterly wrong and very ignorant.
I start thinking you have a different definition of "rich" than me. Because I really don't understand what is so wrong in my statement.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Some make a living, just, others are more successful, but you cant equate criminality with wealth, that is utterly wrong and very ignorant.
Would you please really read carefully what I have written? I have nowhere said that, but I am against your "all rich are nice and good people" because this is as wrong as the other way around. I already said:
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The one that manages to make money without harming anyone and having respect for the rest of the people... I do say: Kudos ... Generalizing is wrong, in both directions.
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There are "good" and "bad" persons in every social / economic status. ... I have no problem with rich people who have worked hard or had luck in life or both.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Exactly. I personally, have nothing against the rich, and have never harbored ill will toward them just because they are rich.
Slacker007 wrote:
have nothing against the rich, and have never harbored ill will toward them
Surely that must be white privilege talking. :laugh: :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Those that are not rich are getting tax breaks too, not just the rich. Read the bill.
Preface this with "I am an independent, not a lib or con." Government should help take care of those who need it and stay out of my business. My biggest problem is the degree that said tax breaks shift through the years for the low vs middle vs upper class. Yes it is a prediction, but it appears that I get a small break now that gets smaller for the next 10 years and might even turn into a tax increase during that time. Along with that they make the business cuts permanent but leave me with the hope that they were right with the "No one would ever let these tax breaks expire!" logic.
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Those that are not rich are getting tax breaks too, not just the rich. Read the bill.
Slacker007 wrote:
Read the bill.
OK, here's 429 pages...you have 2 hours to read it before voting...better hurry! :laugh: tps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/02/us/politics/document-Read-the-G-O-P-Tax-Bill.html[^]
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Preface this with "I am an independent, not a lib or con." Government should help take care of those who need it and stay out of my business. My biggest problem is the degree that said tax breaks shift through the years for the low vs middle vs upper class. Yes it is a prediction, but it appears that I get a small break now that gets smaller for the next 10 years and might even turn into a tax increase during that time. Along with that they make the business cuts permanent but leave me with the hope that they were right with the "No one would ever let these tax breaks expire!" logic.
RJOberg wrote:
those who need it
Here is the rub. Who defines who "needs" it? Ask the far left and they'll say "everybody who asks". Ask the far right and they'll say "only the truly infirmed". In the US alone there are 10's of millions of people in between those 2 extremes.
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I start thinking you have a different definition of "rich" than me. Because I really don't understand what is so wrong in my statement.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Some make a living, just, others are more successful, but you cant equate criminality with wealth, that is utterly wrong and very ignorant.
Would you please really read carefully what I have written? I have nowhere said that, but I am against your "all rich are nice and good people" because this is as wrong as the other way around. I already said:
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The one that manages to make money without harming anyone and having respect for the rest of the people... I do say: Kudos ... Generalizing is wrong, in both directions.
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There are "good" and "bad" persons in every social / economic status. ... I have no problem with rich people who have worked hard or had luck in life or both.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Would you please really read carefully what I have written? I have nowhere said that, but I am against your "all rich are nice and good people"
Oh the irony! :)
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RJOberg wrote:
those who need it
Here is the rub. Who defines who "needs" it? Ask the far left and they'll say "everybody who asks". Ask the far right and they'll say "only the truly infirmed". In the US alone there are 10's of millions of people in between those 2 extremes.
Yeah, I know what you're saying and I don't have a good answer. My thought is a sliding scale, if you can do something, you should. Maybe that is the Scandinavian heritage, dunno. Those who are truly infirmed, of course. The problem is there are entire law practices set up to prove everyone who claims to be are in fact infirm. I believe the goal of these programs should be to get everyone off of said support and aid. Give them training and help them set realistic expectations. Unfortunately social media tends to reinforce the idea that everyone needs a new car, fancy phone, big tv, etc. So people see the options as "hard" legal work and modest comfort or "easy" criminal work and luxury?
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Nelek wrote:
Would you please really read carefully what I have written? I have nowhere said that, but I am against your "all rich are nice and good people"
Oh the irony! :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Nelek wrote:
Would you please really read carefully what I have written? I have nowhere said that, but I am against your "all rich are nice and good people"
If you want to quote me... then quote the full sentence please
Nelek wrote:
Would you please really read carefully what I have written? I have nowhere said that, but I am against your "all rich are nice and good people" because this is as wrong as the other way around.
Because...
Munchies_Matt wrote:
but you cant equate criminality with wealth, that is utterly wrong and very ignorant.
You can't equate wealth with being a good person neither.
Slacker007 wrote:
don't be so lame in your thinking, and stop generalizing the rich.
Nelek wrote:
There are "good" and "bad" persons in every social / economic status. ... I have no problem with rich people who have worked hard or had luck in life or both.
So... No, I am not generalizing. No, I am not equating wealthy with criminality. No, I have nothing against rich people. But yes... telling that no rich person has done something censurable is as wrong as telling that every rich people have done it. And that's my point the full time, and that's what looks like you are not understanding.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
