How many of you really believe UFO stories?
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Former Navy pilot describes encounter with UFO studied by secret Pentagon program[^] Never settle! :doh: I think it's mainly in the US, people are so crazy about this funny UFO things? :)
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
the chances of us being alone in the universe are vanishingly small.
As are the odds they can overcome the vast distances to get here, or even to find us out of all the possible locations.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
Of course. Even if you invoke a hyperdrive type-mcguffin the second is still a huge problem.
Anna (@annajayne) Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Former Navy pilot describes encounter with UFO studied by secret Pentagon program[^] Never settle! :doh: I think it's mainly in the US, people are so crazy about this funny UFO things? :)
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
I thought that video was a joke, only in that it was such a mundane sighting. I've seen better with my own eyes with my father who worked for the DIA who were in charge of investigating and deliberately debunking reports even when they knew they were legitimate. Now, with your questioning it, I realize that Disclosure really is necessary. The whole thing goes a whole lot deeper than this. One of my former workmates said that a soldier in the Pentagon told him that he once saw a saucer in a hanger. I would suggest you do a little reading and open your eyes a bit.
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Yes. No. Maybe. UFO sightings are a worldwide phenomenon, they are not just restricted to the USA. Are they true? Who knows: 1: If there were alien craft and they didn't want to be seen, they wouldn't be seen. Maybe they don't care if we see them. 2: If there were aliens and they were belligerent, we'd already be dead. 3: Why would they come to this mudball planet out at the edge of an unremarkable galaxy? Why are we so interesting? 4: How come they always land in Asshole, Alabama and not on the White House lawn? Is there life out there, either in our solar system or on planets around other stars? Highly likely. As has been said, either we are alone or we are not. Either way the implications are staggering.
1. True. 2. True. 3. Primarily because this is a water planet and secondarily we are an experiment in free will and genetic engineering. 4. They have already made a widely reported spectacle above the White House lawn in the last century. They may soon land on the White House lawn when the White House is no longer so belligerent.
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Do I believe that some people genuinely believe they've seen alien spacecraft? Yes. Do I believe those people are credible witnesses? No. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence and all of that. P.S. Nobody's coming down the chimney in a couple days either. Both of these tales, while nice to think about, have exactly the same amount of evidence.
"Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence" is an unintelligent expression invented by a skeptic who was covering up the fact that he had already accepted the evidence.
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Vunic wrote:
I think it's mainly in the US, people are so crazy about this funny UFO things?
Every freaking UFO / Alien attack (In Movies) takes place in the US, i guess they would love to die while fighting Aliens or they just want to show off anything. Nod idea but yeah i guess it's a US thing.
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}HobbyProggy wrote:
Every freaking UFO / Alien attack (In Movies) takes place in the US
Err...no. Just one that I have seen...and a good one at that... Attack the Block (2011) - IMDb[^] Of course many do come from the US just as many bollywood movies are shot in India and many kpop movies come from Korea. However many types of movies originate from the US which are released worldwide because the US likes movies and money from movies.
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Real life UFO sightings don't just occur in the US. They occur near air force bases all over the world.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
PeejayAdams wrote:
Real life UFO sightings don't just occur in the US. They occur near air force bases all over the world.
Not surprising since of course people see many things that are 'unidentified' all the time. However the story is attempting to claim that the source is extraterrestrials (back by proponents and a business), which is far different.
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There are whole documentaries about it on the internet. Also, the newspaper headlines (it was front page news) can be found, or if you don't trust the internet, use microfiche at the library. This is well known and documented.
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By the way, I'm a big skeptic myself, especially of the "lone farmer in Wyoming" who sees something. But after studying this event, I was shaken.
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Are you not aware of the event in the 50's when UFO's buzzed Washington, were tracked on RADAR from Andrews Air Force Base, were intercepted by fighter jets and were witnessed by hundreds of eye witnesses included the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES himself? And the event happened again the next day. In broad daylight. If that's not credible enough then nothing is.
Basildane wrote:
Are you not aware of the event in the 50's when UFO's buzzed Washington, were tracked on RADAR from Andrews Air Force Base, were intercepted by fighter jets and were witnessed by hundreds of eye witnesses included the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES himself
Sigh... First the president saw nothing. Second radar is not now and certainly was not then some perfect infallible all seeing device. The understanding and technology behind radar has gotten much better since then which is why weather forecasters all over the world now use it to, accurately, identify weather anomalies of which little was understood then. Third with an increased understanding of anomalies observers now, both mechanical and human, are better able to understand what they are seeing and thus correctly identify them. That was much less true back then. There is little real evidence (every single video and photograph is a fake but called a 'recreation') of what actually occurred then. Because of that last point ANY attempt to rationalize a conclusion now is simply wishful thinking. If they were extraterrestrials one can no more prove that now than one can prove that it was nothing more than military hysteria (USSR attacks) and unknown weather anomalies. Because there is no real evidence of anything. HOWEVER, the most likely explanation, supported by other events, is that mistakes in understanding weather phenomenon and military hysteria (over responding) was likely the sole explanation. Volume 52 - CSI[^]
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There are many credible accounts from pilots, backed up by radar tracking from the ground, of unknown objects travelling in odd ways; stopping, accelerating at ridiculous rates etc. AT the same time it is very likely there is life elsewhere in the universe. Given the ability of life to utilise extreme environments on earth (deep sea ocean vents, a heat and sulphur system, as opposed to the surface, which is a sunlight and carbon cycle system) we could well have life on Europa for example. Are these alien spacecraft? We just dont know. They could be, they could be some weird unknown natural effect, like ball lightening for example. It can do some very odd things.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Are these alien spacecraft?
The problem with this argument is the number of assumptions of which all must be true for it to succeed. 1. Life must exist. 2. Intelligent life must exist 3. Technological life must exist 4. Technological life must exist now (versus the other 20 billion years of the universe.) 5. They must have some form of moving through space that is reasonable and undetectable. 6. They must want to hide from us. 7. They must be able to hide from us, perfectly. 8. The last 3 require MULTIPLE technologies that far surpass anything that the earth has and some of which would violate physical laws. And probably others. There are similar lines of assumptions that can lead one to suppose that guardian angles must exist. And that unicorn farts smell like roses.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
They could be, they could be some weird unknown natural effect, like ball lightening for example
There are a vast number of just weather effects which are odd and which people who have not study these effects would not identify them. Even when someone knows about some of these without additional information, not readily available to the random person at a random point on the earth, conclusively identifying them can be difficult.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
There are many credible accounts from pilots
...and there's my problem - for some reason pilots, policemen and soldiers are always completely in control of their perceptions and unable to be deceived by them. There is an element in pilot training called 'human factors' which very clearly show how easy it is for even pilots to be deceived by their senses. Although of course being able to back up these claims with radar does add something to their claims.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
GuyThiebaut wrote:
Although of course being able to back up these claims with radar does add something to their claims.
In 1952, no that has little to do with anything. Radar was very new then and very crud. There is a reason weather forecasters use it now to identify many things and did not use it at all then. Volume 52 - CSI[^]
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It is the radar back up that shows it isnt just pilot hallucination. There was a case over NZ, between north and south islands, backed up by radar, for example. Of course it could be some natural phenomenon. Ball lightening, as I mentioned does some strange things. ball lightning - Google Search[^] Ball lightning - Wikipedia[^] It can hover, enter a room, move about. Very strange stuff.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
There was a case over NZ, between north and south islands, backed up by radar, for example.
Hard to tell what you mean but if you mean New Zealand in 1978 then yes there is another explanation. Including the radar... Search for "New Zealand" [^]
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Who knows how far we can push back the boundaries of physics?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who knows how far we can push back the boundaries of physics?
Science does. If one makes unlimited assumptions that is magic, not science. And economists also have something to say about it. For example there is an ongoing estimate of how much it would cost to build one generation ship, if I recall correctly it was 10 trillion dollars. And that is with no assurance that the technology we have would keep it alive. Following is ascribing to magic when it suggests that anti-matter production costs will go down despite decades in which it has not gone down. NASA - New and Improved Antimatter Spaceship for Mars Missions[^]
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
the chances of us being alone in the universe are vanishingly small.
As are the odds they can overcome the vast distances to get here, or even to find us out of all the possible locations.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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"Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence" is an unintelligent expression invented by a skeptic who was covering up the fact that he had already accepted the evidence.
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It isn't hard to believe in UFOs if you don't confuse the term with "extraterrestrial" like most yahoos seem to want to do. Every experimental aircraft that goes up and is seen by someone is technically a UFO as it has not yet been classified. Why do you think it happens so often near air bases? Do I think extraterrestrials have visited this planet? I sure hope not. I mean, the way we treat our elderly, our soldiers, folks with different skin tones? Look at our own (US) government, the rich minority screwing the vast majority for more of what they already have in abundance. Nation states making war with other nations states over what - lines on a map, words in a book. I sure hope not. Ignorance rules over Sol 3 and it's embarrassing.
PNutHed wrote:
I mean, the way we treat our elderly, our soldiers, folks with different skin tones? Look at our own (US) government, the rich minority screwing the vast majority for more of what they already have in abundance. Nation states making war with other nations states over what - lines on a map, words in a book. I sure hope not. Ignorance rules over Sol 3 and it's embarrassing.
Not to mention that they are perfect in that their technology and intellect is 100% infallible. The converse of course is that they do crash and then there is vast, 100% perfect worldwide conspiracy which is hiding their mistakes. The later of course would make one wonder why the fallible aliens do not put humans in charge.
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brothers wrote:
All aspects of the phenomenon described are adequately explained by ball ligtning.
No sure what you are referring to is clear. The original article is sourced by a company specifically set up to sensationalize extraterrestrials and several proponents of the same and it references three different events without providing much information about any of them.
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I thought that video was a joke, only in that it was such a mundane sighting. I've seen better with my own eyes with my father who worked for the DIA who were in charge of investigating and deliberately debunking reports even when they knew they were legitimate. Now, with your questioning it, I realize that Disclosure really is necessary. The whole thing goes a whole lot deeper than this. One of my former workmates said that a soldier in the Pentagon told him that he once saw a saucer in a hanger. I would suggest you do a little reading and open your eyes a bit.
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Former Navy pilot describes encounter with UFO studied by secret Pentagon program[^] Never settle! :doh: I think it's mainly in the US, people are so crazy about this funny UFO things? :)
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Every single UFO claim that has had real actual evidence has been found to either be a fraud or explained by natural or even man-made events. Witnesses have been found to either be confused, significantly lacking in specific knowledge about the events or even out right lying. There are events for which no real evidence exists and concluding from those that they 'must' be extraterrestrials is no more reasonable than claiming that they 'must' be angels.